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Post by Яромip on May 15, 2006 10:27:02 GMT -5
People! Mass public opinions are like baloons, they go where wind goes. That is mass-scale democracy (properly called mobocracy) is an unceptable form of government.
How many people even knew Iraq existed in 2001? By 2003 over 60% Americans were CONVINCED that Sadam Hussein is Satan-incarnate. Such is the power of NWO Propaganda Machine, commonly refered to as Mass Media
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Post by Boleslaw on May 16, 2006 10:48:27 GMT -5
Quite frankly Czechs are perhaps the only Slavic nation that I hate!
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Post by Raven on May 16, 2006 12:28:12 GMT -5
God forbid! What a crazy disscusion. What is with you guys? Is it in connection with moon or with sun activity? Maybe, black humor, or something?  |
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Post by Orao on May 16, 2006 13:41:40 GMT -5
I don't hate them... no matter what one should never generalize and say they are all the same.
The Czech Republic has chosen a path of becoming a Western country and they are living up to that. They are pretty developed so why would they really care too much for a country like Serbia or China when it is a foreign country somewhere 'far' from Ceska... at least they feel good about Slovakia. I don't expect more, look at us in Yugoslavia the ones we lived with until yesterday are now our "worst enemies".
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Post by proudslav on May 16, 2006 14:07:47 GMT -5
Cheska used to be a great Slavic country. Germanization and westernisation have confused their minds. I knew it before, that Czechs are the least culturaly aware slavs. It's sad, but they have been slavic for thousands of years, so I expect tham to bounce back....and No, I dont hate tham at all, (just a little dissapointed)
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Post by Utobach on May 16, 2006 17:03:38 GMT -5
Wow, all this surprised me. Sad to see that much hostility towards Czechs on this forum. What doesn't surprise me are the results of the survey. Notice a pattern? Czechia, like Western Europe, is being swallowed in the eastward creeping pandemic of self-righteous neoliberalism. Note they see the US as a country as favorable but Bush ("conservative") is among the highest leaders looked down upon. The most Westward geographically of Yugoslavia are the highest rated. The low ratings... Serbia, Ukraine, Russia... east, east, and east. All this means is the propaganda is working. NATO and EU are working. Ukraine may have a similarily silly view within the next decade easily. It is a historical symptom of Europe to look down on the east (France on Germany, Germany on Poland, Poland on Ukraine, etc) as being less civilized... now the problem is that "civilization" is equated with liberalism. This is why Chirac (and even Merkel) rank higher than Putin... because of how Putin is portrayed in the liberal press.
Interesting sidenote that the US at its core should be frowned upon (as opposed to that old line about liking the country but not the government) as that is what is helping to spread this. Who within its sphere could frown on the "cultura franca" after all? The Czechs are no less susceptible to this than anyone else, but these charges of Germanization just aren't rational.
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Post by russkiivoin on May 16, 2006 17:24:31 GMT -5
Come on people! Don't disrespect the Czechs over some survey. I remember during the aggression on Yugo, Czechia was one of the only countries that had large protests and actual political opposition to NATO aggression.
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Post by Raven on May 18, 2006 8:17:23 GMT -5
Look at the source of this information about Czechs. It is BETA and that is very pro- `false Western` agency/source. Key source to B92, too.
I don’t say that BETA wouldn`t present correct information (I using them sometimes as source, too) but, on the end- what is correct.
For BETA- ``correct`` is what is pro- `false West`. ``Correct`` is that Serbs aren’t popular. ``Correct`` is that Czechs are pro- USA, pro- Semitic and pro- German oriented, etc.
One digression in case with mass media in Serbia and Serbian citizens.
In time of Slobodan Milosevic Serbia had few types of media: pro- Milosevic, pro- political opposition, pro- nationalist Serbia, pro- Pan Slavic, pro- `false West`, pro- royal Serbia, pro- USA, pro- German, pro- EU, pro- Serbian Diaspora, etc, etc…
In the same time Serbian citizens were of few types (if you understand me).
Today, few years after Slobodan Milosevic was dispatched to Hague (where was killed), things are different in Serbia.
There are only (in majority) pro- `false West` media survived (even Belgrade POLITIKA and Novi Sad DNEVNIK are in hands of `false West`- German Bodo Hombah is owner now and, old ``evil`` RTS isn’t ``that ``evil`` for THEM).
Serbian citizens also aren’t that what they were in time of Milosevic.
From day to day, there are more and more Serbian citizens who are pro- Pan Slavic and anti- EU/NATO oriented.
Seams that Serbian citizens aren’t as Serbian media scene (at least for now).
Seams that `false West` miscalculate.
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Post by Яромip on May 20, 2006 16:40:10 GMT -5
Let me see if I comprehend this correctly. You hate people with whom you share same Genetic profile because they had to contend with situations which were much less favorable than what we historically had in Ukraine and Russia. You really think that is justified?
Czechs are the best Slavic engineers and mere fact of their existance as distinct kind speaks of will, determination and love of their motherland under constant German pressure.
That they are falling for neo-liberal propaganda is not suprising nor is it any different from modern Ukraine. How many people fell for the neo-liberal Orange Revolution?
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Post by Raven on May 21, 2006 4:37:56 GMT -5
Yaromir is right. After all German pressure Czechs are still Slavs. That means something! In WWI many Czechs and Slovaks escape from Austro-Hungarian army to come in Serbian army and to fight side by side with Serbs against common oppressor. It wasn’t just few cases and examples, my brothers. Those were whole regiments. Yes, Czechs are good brothers, good Slavs- no matter all. Media pressure from false West is enormous. If we even see some deformation inside of Slavic body we must be honest and say that our enemies are well organized and Slavs are divided. What other Slavs offer to Czechs to support them? What we done for Poland? What Serbia really got? Did somebody say something to Croatia in case with their German path (I don’t mean on critics but on wise words which needs to open their eyes)? What Russia got, except criticism? We all, first have to give and than to receive. That will save us. WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH OUR CIVILIZATION  !!! |
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Post by Boleslaw on May 22, 2006 19:42:09 GMT -5
I dont find it harsh. Czechs have never been a people Ive held in high regard. Does that mean I have a pathological hatred for all Czechs? No. I dont know if Czechs share the same genetic profile as Ukrainians or anyother Slavic nation for that matter, and if so that is irrelevant. Czechs have a real attitude problem towards other Slavs, especially Ukrainians. Here's even an article about how Czechs look down upon Ukrainians www.ukraine-observer.com/articles/199/453Yet this is only covering modern times. At the beginning of the 20th century, in many Pan-Slavic/Neo-Slavic circles the Czechs were often the ones trying to discredit the Ukrainian national cause; even declaring us anti-Slavic. And Ive even read about how the Czechs even tried to suppress Slovak attempts at expressing their sense of nationality. Considering the fact that I have great admiration for the Slovaks, this is something I cannot accept. Plus many of the Czechs Ive known personally have been complete jerks. So no, there's not much reason for me to like Czechs. |
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Post by Moravan Rostislav on May 23, 2006 7:12:27 GMT -5
I live in Czech Republic, but I'm a Moravian, I don't like Czechs, especially Czechs from Prague, they are pretty arrogant and different like normal Slovans. They discriminate all Moravians and all Silesians, we wish to have your own autonomy, autonomy like Vojvodina, Krym, Republika Srpska or Kaliningrad area!  |
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Post by Gerasim on May 23, 2006 10:03:34 GMT -5
How many Moravians are there in Czech republic? What problems do you have with Czechs?
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Post by Moravan Rostislav on May 23, 2006 16:44:06 GMT -5
How many Moravians are there in Czech republic? What problems do you have with Czechs? Click here to see more infos about Moravia and Silesia. |
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Post by Danik on May 23, 2006 16:47:55 GMT -5
I live in Czech Republic, but I'm a Moravian, I don't like Czechs, especially Czechs from Prague, they are pretty arrogant and different like normal Slovans. They discriminate all Moravians and all Silesians, we wish to have your own autonomy, autonomy like Vojvodina, Krym, Republika Srpska or Kaliningrad area! I once though that Ostrava is an ethnically Polish area which fell under Czech rule to appease the Czech government after 1918, in exchange for other areas of Silesia. Oh yes and since when are Silesians not Poles? For you everybody is poles :-) |
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