Srbopol
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Post by Srbopol on Jan 21, 2008 14:19:05 GMT -5
Serb no but it beggins with an S for sure
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gleb
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Post by gleb on Jan 21, 2008 16:29:13 GMT -5
What a surprise. A Ljoticevac speaking up for a collaborator with the Germans. What`s next? Elton John sucking a dick? Oh wait, already happened. You're bullshitting beyond imagination, I already told you that. And you know nothing about Dimitrije Ljotić to even judge him. Your stupid view is a typical communist post war bullshit about "collaboration" and fighting the "Serbian fascists", so they could put their political enemies in Serbia, in the same basket with Ustašas. And Serbian volunteer corps (SDK) were heroes as much as general Vlasovs's ROA. In fact the two were close allies and ROA was even destroyed in attempt to reach Serbia and help their Serbian brothers in destroying the communist vermin. So you can shove your stupid little Bolshevik propaganda up your arse! Be a good Tito's pioneer - that's all you ever know in your life. ------------------------------------------------------- As for your crap about king Milan Obrenović, if you based your opinion on some book written by a British historian then you're definitely a lost case. For last 400 years Brits have been proven enemies of all Slavs, perhaps even greater enemies than the rest of the Germanics. While at the same time their historians the worst biased crap-eaters that world has ever seen. You think that the last 20 years in their anti-Serbian and anti-Russian propaganda is an exception? Their materialistic, God hating, Jewish, Mamon-worshiping world can't stand us Slavs, for being totally opposite!!! King Milan Obrenović did what he had to do, because he was taking care of Serbian national interest, while on the other hand Russian empire and Bulgaria took care of their interests. As simple as that. Other than that I won't say anything because I don't want to argue here with the Bulgarian and Russian brothers about some circumstances that occurred in 19th century. All in all - shame on you for calling one honorable and good king a traitor, he was a patriot and a great king and certainly not traitor to his own country and especially not to Slavdom!!!! Don't call Vlasov's army "heroes"! That was so noble to fight against USSR while the city of Leningrad was croaking of hunger being surrounded by the German troops. When half of Belorussia was annihilated, when millions of Russian people were executing in nazist camps. I spit on his interests in this war because he betrayed Russia. Such wars always are good for rats and insects which prefere to serve their own ambitions than people. |
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Post by srbobran on Jan 21, 2008 20:31:45 GMT -5
Yeah, well it was a mistake for Serbia, and frankly, thats all I care about. Anyways, if you don't believe in Slavic unity (which I don't quite believe in either) why are you here?
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Post by ratnik on Jan 22, 2008 0:53:39 GMT -5
Thousands dead slavs is not mistake?!?!Brothers killing each other is not mistake?! Ask the Serbs about this, not me. And also their mentors the Russians, who supported the Serbian attack and called back all Russian officers, leaving the young and inexperienced Bulgarian soldiers without a leaders. ....such a wonderful "slavic brotherhood".... ;D |
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Post by ratnik on Jan 22, 2008 1:02:24 GMT -5
Anyways, if you don't believe in Slavic unity (which I don't quite believe in either) why are you here? And you believe? ;D Why I am here? Watching the posts and observing the situation....Do you have any problems with this? |
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Post by ratnik on Jan 22, 2008 1:09:09 GMT -5
gleb I have one question for you.
Do you think that the bolshevik terroristic regime was a regime of the real Russians?
The bolsheviks are Jewish creation. The communism is a Jewish creation. The most famous leaders of USSR were Jews. Stalin wanted to create a Jewish state on Crimean peninsula....Then he turned against the Jews and one Jew (Beria) killed him.
The victims of the communism are greater in numbers than those of the nazism.
I am a bolshevik and I spit on Russia - Vladimir Lenin.
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gleb
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Post by gleb on Jan 22, 2008 2:49:37 GMT -5
ratnik 1. I don't like communism and I've got my personal reasons for that. I don't think that it suits Russia and Russians. But I know that the red-brown Hitler's regime would be much worse for my country. 2. Nazis didn't rule Russia but the number of their victimes can be compared wit 74 years of red reign. I can't even imagine what could be if Germany would have won WWII. 3. I don't really care the jews. Sie sind mir egal. 4. But I don't care who rules my country when there is an attack against me and my people from the outside. Hitler fought not against the bolsheviks. He fought against Russians. Almost all of us would be some kind of soap if he would have won. Only a miserable bitch thinks that A.H. would give freedome to some nation enslaved by him. He didn't follow his promises and the deals which he made with some countries. Russian people fought for their lives, for their children, for their future. Not for bolsheviks. So did numerous victims of political repressions, which were released from the prisons and sent to front. And you called all these people "drunk Soviet scum" (or something like that) in the topic "Hungary". Hitler also planned to erase the city in which do I live. So which attidude should I have towards the people who collaborated with people which planned to enslave and destroy my nation??? P.S. even in Russia there is no certain point of view about the death of Stalin despide the numerous researches. And you are so confident...  |
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Vladimir
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Post by Vladimir on Jan 22, 2008 6:36:20 GMT -5
Don't call Vlasov's army "heroes"! That was so noble to fight against USSR while the city of Leningrad was croaking of hunger being surrounded by the German troops. When half of Belorussia was annihilated, when millions of Russian people were executing in nazist camps. I spit on his interests in this war because he betrayed Russia. Such wars always are good for rats and insects which prefere to serve their own ambitions than people. And it was so noble to raise a revolution while Russian nation was fighting the Germans in ww1, and Russian people almost dying of hunger in the back? Sorry brother, but I love Russia too much to support this:  over this:  As for ROA, I suggest you read this:  |
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Post by Alexandrus on Jan 22, 2008 6:43:30 GMT -5
Ratnik, let me ask you a question. What exactly are you doing on a slavic nationalist forum ?
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Vladimir
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Post by Vladimir on Jan 22, 2008 6:48:21 GMT -5
Right on, ratnik, you made very accurate conclusions. Is this guy pastir a Serb, if so, I congratulate him too. More of them should admit their sins towards us. Thousands dead slavs is not mistake?!?!Brothers killing each other is not mistake?! Ask the Serbs about this, not me. And also their mentors the Russians, who supported the Serbian attack and called back all Russian officers, leaving the young and inexperienced Bulgarian soldiers without a leaders. ....such a wonderful "slavic brotherhood".... ;D STFU you two, I knew some Bulgarians would come and start bitching around, and that's precisely what I wanted to avoid. We should all thank that moron Pastir for this. I hope you're happy now, for this new Slav on Slav argument  As for you two, why even bother coming here? I bet there are thousands of those "Bulgarija na tri moreta" forums you can participate in!!! There you can propose putting Serbian children on stick ( "nabijanje na kolac") as long as you like. |
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gleb
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Post by gleb on Jan 22, 2008 8:35:54 GMT -5
Don't call Vlasov's army "heroes"! That was so noble to fight against USSR while the city of Leningrad was croaking of hunger being surrounded by the German troops. When half of Belorussia was annihilated, when millions of Russian people were executing in nazist camps. I spit on his interests in this war because he betrayed Russia. Such wars always are good for rats and insects which prefere to serve their own ambitions than people. And it was so noble to raise a revolution while Russian nation was fighting the Germans in ww1, and Russian people almost dying of hunger in the back? Sorry brother, but I love Russia too much to support this: over this: As for ROA, I suggest you read this: I respect your point of view. You have a right on it. I don't want to repeat my own words which I adressed to ratnik im post #37. I stay convinced that Vlasov betrayed people. And I don't need any fiction books to learn history. |
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Post by srbinizargentine on Jan 22, 2008 12:05:39 GMT -5
Is this how they tech you history in Bulgaria? My friend stop spearing rubbish around here. Serbia was never even near the Austro-Hungarian sphere of influence. This statement is absolute rubbish. Serbia under King Milan was under Austrian influence to the point that all decisions were made with Habsburg involvement. Not only that but Franz Joseph and the bastard Milan were friends (in fact King Milan considered the Austrian scum his best friend). The man was clearly a fool. When he declared war with Bulgaria the Serbs should have rebelled, removed him from power and replaced the Obrenovic dynasty and put the Petrovic dynasty of Montenegro on the throne. and alstly declared union with Montenegro. |
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Post by ratnik on Jan 22, 2008 14:13:07 GMT -5
Ratnik, let me ask you a question. What exactly are you doing on a slavic nationalist forum ? I already replied to this question to srbobran |
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Post by ratnik on Jan 22, 2008 14:19:10 GMT -5
We should all thank that moron Pastir for this. I hope you're happy now, for this new Slav on Slav argument "Moron"? Pastir? And why? Because he recognises the crimes of Serbia against Bulgaria? If all people in Serbia were like Pastir, I would take the gun and go shoot shiptars and scatter their brains all over Kosovo! But! Unfortunately most of the people there have mentality like you and this GovnarVukota. In this case you make me feel more sympathetic to the albanians and support Kosovo's independence with my 2 hands. And don't tell me this "България на 3 морета", because I know something more ridiculous and funny: Srbija do Tokija CCCC hahahahahahahahahhaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Яромip on Jan 22, 2008 15:46:50 GMT -5
See, this is why I don't like historical discussions. Far too emotionally charged with people only interested in validating their own emotional pre-sets.
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Now, on topic of monarchy. What you describe is difference between strong monarchy and weak monarchy. Weak monarchies are indeed very bad as the monarch has to spend all his energy on keeping power.
Difference is like the difference between a man who is securely owning the house he lives in, and a man who lives next door to a band of thugs that can break in at any time and throw him out.
If you are secure in your possession, you will treat the house with care and make long-term improvements. If the house can be taken away at any time, what's the point of taking care of it?
Secure monarch identifies with country as a whole. Weak monarch identifies with himself only and is willing to watch his country burn to preserve own power. Burning what you securely own is an act of insanity.
Ivan IV (Grozni) while he was sure in love and obedience of his people he directed his energy towards internal reform and outward conquest. When one of his high generals switched to Polish crown, oppression began (though most of suspected disloyalty was imaginary).
Needless to say, Liberal Democracies inherently act as weak monarchies. Elected officials know that they received power through deceit and manipulation and that soon (what is 4 years in a scope of country?) will have to leave.
Elected officials, thus, never identify with people as a whole and always spend all their energy on positioning, posturing and looting.
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