Vladimir
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Post by Vladimir on Jan 22, 2008 16:36:45 GMT -5
"Moron"? Pastir? And why? Because he recognises the crimes of Serbia against Bulgaria? If all people in Serbia were like Pastir, I would take the gun and go shoot shiptars and scatter their brains all over Kosovo! Pastir is not a Serb in the first place, and he's certainly not from Serbia. You would scatter šiptar brains? That's the thing in which we're totally different. You hate, we love, you would kill your enemies, we would rather defeat them... No matter what they did to us, no matter how many Serbs they killed, I still don't hate them... I pity them, they just show how shallow, stupid, sad and little people they are. Because they're such, they can never win. They'll always loose. Crimes of Serbia against Bulgaria??? WTF are you talking about? King Milan attacked Bulgaria because he was visionary, he was able to foresee everything that happened later in 1912, 1913, 1914 and 1941. And also the fights between the Serb and Bulgarian guerrilla in Macedonia. He wanted to achieve the same thing that Stefan Dečanski achieved in the battle of Velbužd 1330. But obviously Serbian people didn't understand his intentions, so the war failed. And mind you, it wasn't Serbian military boot that crossed the Bulgarian borders and killed people for 5 times only in 20th century, it was other way around. It wasn't Serb who killed the Bulgarian king, but other way around. So what crimes are we talking about?  What mentality? We Serbs don't hate Bulgarians. Why should we? We're all orthodox, Slavs, listen to same music etc. Serbs and Bulgarians have so much in common, and ordinary people are very fond of each other, no matter what some people say over internet. The problem are in your kind of people - typical Bulgarian chauvinists, and I really don't give a damn who you gonna support, just each time you dream about dividing the Macedonia between yourselves and Albanians, remember that Bulgarian soldier who was killed in Kosovo by Albanians just for speaking Bulgarian. They hate all Slavs. And remember that we Serbs can also support the independence of Krdžalije for return!!! |
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Vladimir
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Post by Vladimir on Jan 22, 2008 16:45:30 GMT -5
And don't tell me this "България на 3 морета", because I know something more ridiculous and funny: Srbija do Tokija CCCC hahahahahahahahahhaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D "Srbija do Tokija" is internal Serbian joke, you don't really think that we're preparing to invade Japan??? But on the other hand, I really don't find this funny, so next time you mention "Srbija do Tokija", try reading a bit what's written in the Bulgarian forums: vbox7.com/play:55c778e2www.forum.bg-nacionalisti.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=47a7b8ac3e202b45d834b31fc55b95cb&topic=4329.0Just to let you know, we Serbs can read and understand Bulgarian. I was shocked to see what Bulgarians write there. No Serb in this world can say anything so brutal about Bulgarians like you people can say about Serbs. Hate will destroy you too, eventually... |
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Post by Gerasim on Jan 22, 2008 18:16:00 GMT -5
It is amazing how many people think "Srbija do Tokija" is what Serbs really want to achieve, and then base their opinions and emotions on that. It's really sickening how many internal serbian jokes (as Vladimir pointed out) are misused to potrait us as some lunatics... Yes, it was us that started the jokes about us as "heavenly people", wanting Serbia to Tokio etc... I am really amazed that a Bulgarian can think that way about Serbia.
Besides, I don't understand how a serbian king can be called "scum" on this forum... Save your opinion about him to yourself, he may have had his ways, but he did work for serbian national interests, that's a lot more than any of our politicians at present is capable of.
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Post by Lonevolk on Jan 23, 2008 0:29:10 GMT -5
That's how some members here feel as well -- but won't say so openly There was a character here not long ago who was writing all sorts of filth and thought we couldn't understand him I heard that Milosevic was going to be proclaimed Shogun  |
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Post by ratnik on Jan 23, 2008 17:43:52 GMT -5
And don't tell me this "България на 3 морета", because I know something more ridiculous and funny: Srbija do Tokija CCCC hahahahahahahahahhaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D "Srbija do Tokija" is internal Serbian joke, you don't really think that we're preparing to invade Japan??? But on the other hand, I really don't find this funny, so next time you mention "Srbija do Tokija", try reading a bit what's written in the Bulgarian forums: vbox7.com/play:55c778e2www.forum.bg-nacionalisti.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=47a7b8ac3e202b45d834b31fc55b95cb&topic=4329.0Just to let you know, we Serbs can read and understand Bulgarian. I was shocked to see what Bulgarians write there. No Serb in this world can say anything so brutal about Bulgarians like you people can say about Serbs. Hate will destroy you too, eventually... So what? Don't make me post what serbs write about us in their forums, because I smell a big flame war! |
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Post by ratnik on Jan 23, 2008 17:46:29 GMT -5
Besides, I don't understand how a serbian king can be called "scum" on this forum... Not a scum. A looser. |
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Post by ratnik on Jan 23, 2008 18:02:18 GMT -5
You would scatter šiptar brains? That's the thing in which we're totally different. You hate, we love, you would kill your enemies, we would rather defeat them... hahahaahhahahahaha ;D Srebrenica and Vukovar! Crimes against humanity.Crimes of Serbia against Bulgaria??? WTF are you talking about? Hmmm let me think....Probably the vile atack in 1885? Why do you attack in back like cowards? Do you know that the whole Bulgarian army was on the turkish border? Bosilegrad and Tsaribrod? Vardarska Macedonia? King Milan attacked Bulgaria because he was visionary, he was able to foresee everything that happened later in 1912, 1913, 1914 and 1941. And also the fights between the Serb and Bulgarian guerrilla in Macedonia. He wanted to achieve the same thing that Stefan Dečanski achieved in the battle of Velbužd 1330. But obviously Serbian people didn't understand his intentions, so the war failed. King Milan attacked Bulgaria because he wanted to steal foreign lands - the truth short and simple. Accept it. And remember that we Serbs can also support the independence of Krdžalije for return!!! Do you know that Bulgaria had the same problem like you with Kosovo? Do you know that turkish terrorists killed children and mothers in 1985? Do you know that they wanted autonomy? And do you know what happened to the turks? 500,000 of them were deported in Turkey. The Rebirth process! Their rebellion was crushed in several hours. Now the rest of the turks who remained in Bulgaria are peaceful and do not make problems. They are even ashamed to tell you their turkish names. If you ask a turk in Bulgaria what is his name, he will tell you for example Rei (if his name is Reihan), Gibi (Gulbahar). To be a turk in Bulgaria is a shame. Come and see. |
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Post by pastir on Jan 23, 2008 20:16:03 GMT -5
You and Me will always have a fundamental disagreement about our regions history because I don't accept your delusions no matter how much you nit-picking thru history......I'll refrain today from posting counter examples. We will always have a problem because I don`t deal in half-truths, generalisations and mystification. You said something that wasn`t true and when presented with a proof of that you burried your hand in the sand. Next time add "almost" before "always". |
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Post by pastir on Jan 23, 2008 20:34:07 GMT -5
Vladimir you disgust me. To come to a forum interested in Slavic Solidarity with an avatar of a Nazi collaborator and speak up for one is just disgusting.
Ljoticevci wore German uniforms, were supplied by the Germans and fough side by side with them. With the same Germans that attacked their homeland, bombed it`s cities, occupied and partitioned their land. The same Germans that killed countless Serbs in reprisals, made the Ustasa attrocities possible and were bent on carving out a Lebensraum out of Slavic lands.
USSR lost up to 20 million civilians to the German terror in the war and you would speak up for someone that fought with them? Someone that prolonged the war by doing so? How many Russian and Serb lives would have been spared had the war ended a day sooner?! How many more Russian and Serb civilians would have been murdered had the Germans and Ljoticevci won!?!
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Post by pastir on Jan 23, 2008 20:36:10 GMT -5
I agree. The Serbian Volunteer Corps (and Serbian State Guard, a much overlooked Axis Serbian anti-communist formation) were ideologically motivated to fighting communism ; they were not fighting for a Greater Germany or any such idea , they fought for Serbia. A good source about the SDK is "Belgrade's Best, Serbian Volunteer Corps 1941-1945". You can purchase the book on Amazon.com Exactly. Our medieval rulers were our best. There's a reason Serbia was such a powerful and prosperous state in the middle age; we had competent rulers and not some Westernized morons with a 6th grade education. Milan Obrenovic was, on whole, a good king. His only mistake was attacking Bulgaria in 1885; other than that, he did modernize Serbia to a huge degree and helped us catch up with Europe in a very short time frame. Srbobran? You`re the same guy that a week ago was speaking up for Serbia`s NATO membership? |
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Post by pastir on Jan 23, 2008 20:47:26 GMT -5
Besides, I don't understand how a serbian king can be called "scum" on this forum... I don`t understand how a man who murdered Serbs can be called anything but scum on this forum. Or on any other forum for that matter. He sent the army to shoot at normal, decent hard working people most of them army reservists and war veterans and had some of them excecuted. Those were the heros. He on the other hand was scum with blood on his hands. Essentialy he is no different from Beria except his bodycount is lower. BTW, why can a statesman or a politician be called scum but not a monarch? I can call Đinđić a scumbag but not Obrenović? Save your opinion about him to yourself This is a forum. It is meant precisley for exchange of views. Are you a moderator? No? Then shut up. You have no authority to tell me what opinions I should be saving for myself. he may have had his ways, but he did work for serbian national interests, that's a lot more than any of our politicians at present is capable of. Why don`t you attempt to gain some knowledge before forming an opinion? You can start here: sr.wikipedia.org/sr-ec/Тајна_конвенцијаI hope it is short enough. How this can be passed of as "serbian national interest" is beyond me. |
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Post by Lonevolk on Jan 23, 2008 20:51:11 GMT -5
Srebrenica and Vukovar! Crimes against humanity. WTF do you know about Vukovar and Srebrenica ? Sounds like a "humanitarian" operation Read Vladimir's post once again.....I can't be bothered going over the same thing over and over again. And speaking of cowards and backstabbing, how would you describe the actions of the Bulgarian Army in 1914 and 1941?....and the real "humanitarian" conduct of your army  And then in 1944 when the tide turns, you heroically stabb your german allies in the back for good measure The inhabitants of Vardarska Macedonia might have some issue with your list above ===================== We will always have a problem because I don`t deal in half-truths, generalisations and mystification. You said something that wasn`t true and when presented with a proof of that you burried your hand in the sand. Next time add "almost" before "always". I don't have to add shit.... Half-truths, generalisations and mystifications.....You've just described your own view on the period and added a liberal amount of left wing anti-monarchism. |
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Post by pastir on Jan 23, 2008 20:53:39 GMT -5
Right on, ratnik, you made very accurate conclusions. Is this guy pastir a Serb, if so, I congratulate him too. More of them should admit their sins towards us. I am hoping for a different reaction actually. I don`t see it as "our" sin as in the sin of the serb narod. It was the sin of the traitor king. The king who worked against the narod and brough as much harm to Serbia as Bulgaria. You did spot the part when I said the soldiers were kept in the dark and were made to belive they were going to fight the Turks and lost all battle spirit when they realised the campaign is aimed at Bulgarian brothers? I don`t think personification of the serb peple with their political leadership is in place in this case at all. |
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Post by pastir on Jan 23, 2008 20:56:45 GMT -5
This statement is absolute rubbish. Serbia under King Milan was under Austrian influence to the point that all decisions were made with Habsburg involvement. Not only that but Franz Joseph and the bastard Milan were friends (in fact King Milan considered the Austrian scum his best friend). Thank you. It is not like this information wasn`t freely avaliable in Serbian sources and common knowlede among people interested in the subject. |
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Post by Lonevolk on Jan 23, 2008 21:11:03 GMT -5
Pastir,
I'm no monarchist (for different reasons than yourself) but since you've made a issue of the Obrenovic dynasty, why don't you explain the context of his about turn towards A-U?
Do you consider the San Stefan agreement a just solution from a Serbian perspective?
And why don't you mention how the Obrenovic dynasty ended?
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