King Milan the Traitor

[ratnik]

pastir said:

And as the monarch he choose for them was his favorite nephew von Battenberg who was from a minor German noble house, was an ethnic German of no Bulgarian ancestry and spoke not a word of Bulgarian.

But he was one of the greatest Bulgarian patriots ever. The most beloved ruler we had since 1878. His only final wish was to be buried in Bulgaria after his death. Because no matter he was German, he loved Bulgaria more than his own native land.

In the Serbo - Bulgarian war Battenberg was on the front and lived like an ordinary soldier. He was injured at the battle at Slivnitsa and his orderly officer and best friend - killed.

The officers and the warriors worshipped him like a living God.

[pastir]

Yea, I guess that is why you got ridd of him.

[pastir]

yaromir said:

Monarch might be a nationalist. Democratically elected officials are guaranteed to be sell-outs.

An elected politician can be of the narod. A monarch is by definition above and thus outside of it.

Additionaly monarchs tend to after a while don`t even be ethnicaly very related to the narod, but end up half Germans and the likes.

There have been loads of elected politicians that were the furthest thing from sell-outs. Palacky, Masaryk, Strossmayer, Mazuranic, Pribicevic, Pasic to name a few. Infact I`d be hard pressed to think of a Slavic sell out politician in the 19th century. By rule the only sellout statesmen were the reactionaries primarily concerned with the status of nobility and were appointed by various monarchs sharing their concerns.

yaromir said:

Problem is, there is no way to re-establish monarchy once it again becomes acceptable to Narod. Ever notice how the referendums are held over and over again until the desired result is achieved? AND THEN STOP!

Of course.

Monarchs were monarch "by the grace of God". They claimed legitimacy from the monarch`s divine right to rule.

It is impossible to install a monarchy through a referendum because it would be contradictory in itself and any such monarchy would not be a real monarchy in the first place.

yaromir said:

Russian monarchy existed because it was acceptable to people. Elections in 1900 or 1904 would have been quite pointless as people would vote for the Czar.

Indeed they would. That doesn`t mean if the option to vote for the car wasn`t there (because for example the election was for the PM who was to be elected instead of appointed by the car) that they wouldn`t end up voting for someone much better like a pan-slavist interested in land reform.

[pastir]

nat1onal15t said:

SDK operated only in Serbia, except in 1944-'45 when they were forced to leave the country by Soviets, and regroup in Slovenia with the rest of the Yugoslav nationalist forces.

Irrelevant. By serving the Germans in Serbia they were freeing up German units to be used elsewhere. Units to be used in terrorising the populace on the Eastern Front or be used to fight Serb fighters trying to protect Serbs in NDH from Ustasa terror so they were indirectly complicit in both. And of course it is not like the Germans and their collaborators didn`t commit attrocities in Serbia herself. They were aiding and fighting alongside the very people that made it an offical policy to kill innocent civilians in Serbia in reprisals.

[ratnik]

pastir said:

Yea, I guess that is why you got ridd of him.

The russophills did it. The russophills sabotaged the whole serbo-bulgarian war (in serbian favour of course).

And after that you know there was a counter take-over and Battenberg was restored as a knyaz by the nationalistic officers and Stambolov. But Battenberg knew that he is not liked from Russia and abdicated. He has done this for the good of Bulgaria. He liked this country so much - that's why he refused to be ruler of Bulgaria.

When he abdicated he said - "When you begin the fight for Macedonia, I will sign as a simple soldier in the Bulgarian army"

Battenberg was a hero from the Russo-Turkish war 1877-1878 and had a medal for Bravery. He was the perfect Tsar, but the Russians who at that time still had a great influence in Bulgaria do not wanted him. Why?
Because Battenberg was a real Bulgarian nationalist and do not wanted Bulgaria to be a Russian puppet and ass licker.

[gleb]

Earlier I thought that ratnik is a typical anti-communist. But with every new post he shows himself as a russophob. And he also doesn't like serbs. What does such guy searches joining slavic forum which stands up for the slavic unity???
Pal, that's all in the past. History mustn't divide slavs. You can have your own opinion but it's better be kept in the frames of politeness.

[White Cossack]

gleb said:

Earlier I thought that ratnik is a typical anti-communist. But with every new post he shows himself as a russophob. And he also doesn't like serbs. What does such guy searches joining slavic forum which stands up for the slavic unity???
Pal, that's all in the past. History mustn't divide slavs. You can have your own opinion but it's better be kept in the frames of politeness.

That's true. He is treading on thin ice.

[ratnik]

gleb said:

Earlier I thought that ratnik is a typical anti-communist.

Yes I am.

gleb said:

But with every new post he shows himself as a russophob.

I am not a russophobe, but I am not russophil either.

gleb said:

And he also doesn't like serbs.

Give me just one reason to like them.

[ratnik]

whitecossack said:

That's true. He is treading on thin ice.

I am not insulting the other members here. I am not talking about Macedonia. I am not violating the rules.

What else do you want from me? To say how much I love and admire Russia and her puppet serbia? Not a chance. ;D I thought this is a slavic nationalist forum, not Serbo-Russian ultra nationalistic place.

[gleb]

bagatur said:

gleb said:

And he also doesn't like serbs.

Give me just one reason to like them.

I won't give you reason to like them. But this is not bulgarian ultra-right club. People like you have no future because the live in the past. About which slavic unity are you dreaming? The union where all the slavic countries are begging Bulgarian pardon for the wars which happened in past?
I bet you hate all the dinosaurs and would gladly destroy their bones in the history museum because they killed human ancestors (among which were some ancestors of proto-bolgars)thousands of years ago. Don't you think that it's stupid to have such an attidude to non-bulgarian slavs on a slavic forum???
I respect Bulgaria and consider it to be an integral member of the Slavdom. I offend you not as a Bulgarian but as a wicked person in front of PC.

[Deleted]

When we're talking about Tzars.. Is it true that the mother (or grandmother) of Ivan Grozny was Serb?

[White Cossack]

First of all I don't see with good eyes people who come back to the forum using new usernames pretending they are newcomers - and trolling just the same.

Second of all, I see with even less goodwill people who are not interested in the premise of the forum. The way I see it, if you are not interested in Slavic brotherhood, you are simply not welcome, because this is not the place to discuss diferent opinions or diverging points of views. There is only one mindset allowed here. Or better saying, all are permited, except those that are against what we are aiming for in this forum.

[Alexandrus]

jna said:

When we're talking about Tzars.. Is it true that the mother (or grandmother) of Ivan Grozny was Serb?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Glinskaya
Yep, his mother was half-serbian. Which makes him a quarter serb.

whitecossack said:

First of all I don't see with good eyes people who come back to the forum using new usernames pretending they are newcomers - and trolling just the same.

Second of all, I see with even less goodwill people who are not interested in the premise of the forum. The way I see it, if you are not interested in Slavic brotherhood, you are simply not welcome, because this is not the place to discuss diferent opinions or diverging points of views. There is only one mindset allowed here. Or better saying, all are permited, except those that are against what we are aiming for in this forum.

Yeah, i kind of had the feeling that it was that tankistabag dumbass. I saw that idiot on several forums, some ant-christian anti-slavic jackass. He actually has an signature with the flags of Iran and Bulgaria saying, "Friendship with Iran" or some crap like that.

[Vladimir]

pastir said:

Irrelevant. By serving the Germans in Serbia they were freeing up German units to be used elsewhere. Units to be used in terrorising the populace on the Eastern Front or be used to fight Serb fighters trying to protect Serbs in NDH from Ustasa terror so they were indirectly complicit in both. And of course it is not like the Germans and their collaborators didn`t commit attrocities in Serbia herself. They were aiding and fighting alongside the very people that made it an offical policy to kill innocent civilians in Serbia in reprisals.

Cut the crap, Pastir. If you want to talk about SDK open up the new thread, I really don't have the nerves to deal with you ignorance between the 2 lines of other discussions.

[Vladimir]

bagatur said:

I am not insulting the other members here. I am not talking about Macedonia. I am not violating the rules.

What else do you want from me? To say how much I love and admire Russia and her puppet serbia? Not a chance. ;D I thought this is a slavic nationalist forum, not Serbo-Russian ultra nationalistic place.

If you feel that way, then perhaps you should consider joining forums like this:

panbulgar.16.forumer.com

There you'll be among your own people - the Bulg-Aryans, instead of these damn dirty Slavic untermeschen!!! ;D