A thing to think about

[demokrat]

I have decided to write here, why the ideals of Slavija can't have mass support of the Czechs.

Most individuals on this forum will probably be offended by what I'm about to write here, but the main obstacle is the mention of Christianity in the article providing main information about Slavija.

I am, by the way, also disgusted by the mention of Christianity, which assumes that every member of Slavija has to be a Christian.

Now why am I writing it? Certainly not because I would like to start a flame war. I am doing so, because the Czech section, there is yet another person that does not like the mention of Christianity (though he agrees with the ideals of solidarity between Slavic nations). This is not the first reaction of this type by potential Czech members; on the previous website there was the guestbook and I saw several reactions in Czech (one also partially in English) disagreeing with the mention of Christianity or Christian roots. What does Christianity have to do with being Slavic, anyway?

Just like some here can't understand how some does not acknowledge the "ultimate truth" of the bible, there are also others (including me) that don't understand how can someone be so naive and believe in religion.

[swietokrzyz]

Hehe, this is great. It only further proves my thesis that Czech atheism has German roots. Why? Because in his last paragraph he mentions the ultimate truth of the Bible, which sounds very weird to the Catholic and Orthodox, but is something that a Southern Baptist(American type of Protestant) would scream "amen" to in approval.

The emphasis on the Bible is a Protestant belief and Protestantism was started in Germany,so thus this atheism, a side effect of Protestantism, grow from the same tree. Let us also look at the closeness of atheism to Protestantism. One prime example of this is that Nietzsche was the son of a Lutheran minister! I know that a father doesn't determine his son but this is the best philosophical explanation of atheism. German Protestantism gave birth to German atheism,which is the only atheism.

I have a question, what does Nietzsche have to do with Slavicness?

[White Cossack]

We respect your opinion, but SLAVIJA was started - even before I was here - as a Christian Slavic Unity site and forum. It is the understanding of the founder members, that Christianity is a key factor in the development of Slavic Cultures through out the centuries. If you bother to notice most Slavs have been Christians for over 1000 years, this becomes common sense and hardly a subject of arguement. Not only that, but let's not forget how religion was important in the development of many Slavic Nations Nationalisms - Poland, the liberation of the Balkans by Russia, the overthrowing of communism etc. That said, the importance is just there, wether you are willing to admit or not.
Furthermore, the absolutely majority of Slavs in the world - past or present regardless - are de facto Christians, so it should not be a surprise that the founders thought SLAVIJA as a Christian Slavic Unity site. Which is not to say you has to be a Christian to be accepted here - you are an alive proof of that - but only that a non-Christian member has to respect and accept the Christian nature of the forum.
I do not mean any disrespect, but somewhat I am skeptical that the Christian nature of SLAVIJA is what wards off Czechs. I mean, let's be honest about it, the majority of SLAVS do NOT - unfortunately - care about Slavic unity, or even the national cause at all. There is also the issue of "Russian" communist occupation mixed in, NWO propaganda etc. The end result is exactly that: indifference and cynism. Thus, it comes to be as a bit of naivety to suppose it has anything to do with Christianity.
Lastly, I am sorry, but indeed it comes as hipocrital and even offensive that you preach Slavicness, and quote Nietzsche in your signature.

[Orao]

I agree with Demokrat.

[Яромip]

Why is it such a big deal that some (many?) members are Christians?

If religion is trully irrelevant, why does it bother you so? I haven't seen much evangelizing on here, so it isn't the matter of being agressively pushed in that direction. Even in my scuffle with the "zealot" Vladimir he was nothing but courtious.

I have come to realize that yes, religion is the opiate of the masses, but the masses need their opiate or they degenerate into a pattern of self-destructive behaviors.

[Lonevolk]

Demokrat,

I've only just noticed your post on a topic of interest to me.

I'm also of a similar oppinion to yours and have had a couple of
"heated" exchanges with some members here over the issue of religion.

It's best that we all agree to accept each others beliefs and hopefully be able
to debate the subject occasionally without insulting each other.

[proudslav]

Interesting topic indeed. I was also kind of supprized the first time I read that sentence on Slavija website aobut "christian roots" but, fact of the matter is this not a dealbreaker if you are not a Christian. It's more like saying "we are Slavs for Slavija, and Christianity is part of our heritage" It is not and it should not be a determening factor whether one will be for the movement or not!


Hej, Slaveni (wake up)

[Andrew]

swietokrzyz said:

Hehe, this is great. It only further proves my thesis that Czech atheism has German roots. Why? Because in his last paragraph he mentions the ultimate truth of the Bible, which sounds very weird to the Catholic and Orthodox, but is something that a Southern Baptist(American type of Protestant) would scream "amen" to in approval.

The emphasis on the Bible is a Protestant belief and Protestantism was started in Germany,so thus this atheism, a side effect of Protestantism, grow from the same tree. Let us also look at the closeness of atheism to Protestantism. One prime example of this is that Nietzsche was the son of a Lutheran minister! I know that a father doesn't determine his son but this is the best philosophical explanation of atheism. German Protestantism gave birth to German atheism,which is the only atheism.

I have a question, what does Nietzsche have to do with Slavicness?

I had some of the same thoughts when I read his post.