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Post by Volkov on Sept 5, 2007 16:57:30 GMT -5
How many people (in %) from the Slavic countries will willingly declare them shelf as Slavs if that option is possible
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Post by Vladimir on Sept 6, 2007 7:50:11 GMT -5
Well, I first wouldn't declare myself a Slav. Word Slav is meta-ethnic concept not national.
I can respect and love other Slavic nations and fight side by side against common enemy, but I can't and won't abolish my nationality for the sake of meta-identity.
No thanks.
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Post by White Cossack on Sept 6, 2007 9:44:40 GMT -5
Well, I first wouldn't declare myself a Slav. Word Slav is meta-ethnic concept not national. I can respect and love other Slavic nations and fight side by side against common enemy, but I can't and won't abolish my nationality for the sake of meta-identity. No thanks. Both aren't mutually exclusive. You are both Serbian AND Slavic. |
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Post by Kuboslav on Sept 6, 2007 10:06:03 GMT -5
I think, that Serbian, SO Slavic! Beeing a Serb, Pole, Russian, Ukrainian, Czech etc. means, that you belong not only to your nation, but to some group, from your nation aged out long time ago... i don't know if i wrote it well, cause it's in English  ... But it's quite logic... Set of Slavs have a lot of subsets (these what I wrote below)  ... |
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Post by Vladimir on Sept 6, 2007 19:06:57 GMT -5
Both aren't mutually exclusive. You are both Serbian AND Slavic. You're right, but his question was a bit tricky. I consider myself Slav of course, but his question was about whether we are ready to abolish our national identities for the sake of meta-identity or not, if I understood him correctly. To put it short, he's talking about pan-Slavism and therefore advocates the idea of one Slavic nation and state. I disagree with that. |
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Post by Volkov on Sept 6, 2007 19:18:23 GMT -5
Word Slav is meta-etnic concept becouse we have define it so, and the word nation is coming with the state you are living. I mean by my father I am from the slavic tribe Miaci, which are wide in west nort-west of Macedonia and Serbia by my mother I belong to the Slavic tribe Shopie, that are wide in nort-east of Macedonia, west Bulgaria and south-east of Serbia. Now I declare myself as Macedonian, my cousins by my father side declare themself as Serbs, my cousins by my mother side like Bulgarians and by that we belong to a diferent nations. So that nation word do not belong on some places. Its ok for Russia to declare llike nation , or Poland, but Serbian nation or Macedonian nation  ? We are just to mixed and the only thing that devide us is the language. Look at America. Nigers, Chinese, Mexicans, Indians, English men, Germans,Irish some of them hardly even speak English but they all call them self Americans. We are the same fucking thing man, the same fuking blood and we just highlite the diferences between us. I bealive that it is ok to say I am Serb or Bulgarian or Polyak if you go in some other slavic county, but the world shoud know us as Slavs who come from diferent Slavic State. At least that is my opinion. About that fighting side by side agains common enemy. That common enemy knows that the Slavs will not fight against each other( except Yugoslavia), so that enemy will send Macedonian and Polish soldiers in Iraq to take place of the American soldiers, and American soldiers will be on stand by to defend Kosovo if Serbia attack. |
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Post by demokrat on Sept 10, 2007 7:22:28 GMT -5
I am a Slav on the first place, Czech is just the name of my tribe.
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Post by jano76 on Sept 10, 2007 8:11:08 GMT -5
Since i am a mixbreed i have no tribe so i allways declare myself a Slav.
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Post by Vladimir on Sept 10, 2007 9:30:54 GMT -5
Word Slav is meta-etnic concept becouse we have define it so, and the word nation is coming with the state you are living. I mean by my father I am from the slavic tribe Miaci, which are wide in west nort-west of Macedonia and Serbia by my mother I belong to the Slavic tribe Shopie, that are wide in nort-east of Macedonia, west Bulgaria and south-east of Serbia. Now I declare myself as Macedonian, my cousins by my father side declare themself as Serbs, my cousins by my mother side like Bulgarians and by that we belong to a diferent nations. So that nation word do not belong on some places. Its ok for Russia to declare llike nation , or Poland, but Serbian nation or Macedonian nation ? We are just to mixed and the only thing that devide us is the language. I don't have any problems with my national identity. I'm a Serb from both father's and mother's side, and Serbs as a nation exists back from 7th/8th century. Before that we were tribe or folk, not a nation. So we are nation for more than 1200 years, with precisely defined language, culture, territories and national identity. Macedonians maybe have problems defining their national identity. We don't, and I don't like to take other people's problems on the back of my nation. We are kin, but we aren't same and will never be. That's why I'm not Pan-Slavist but rather Slavic nationalist. Unified Slavic nation does not exist and it never existed in history, and probably won't exist in the future. It's not the same. America is not a national country. It's rather a melting pot and an empire that won't last long. As for us Slavs, the last thing we need is another brother against brother bloodshed. Just take a look at our former country - Yugoslavia. Do you want the same story again, but on a larger scale??? I don't! That's not my concern, since I can't change that. Macedonia, Poland, Czech republic etc. voluntarily joined the NATO pact, nobody forced them to do so. They could have allied themselves with Russia but they chose not to do so, because of "Anti-Sovietism". Now they "reap the wheat that they, themselves sowed." |
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Post by proudbgslav on Sept 10, 2007 15:54:42 GMT -5
I am a Slav on the first place, Czech is just the name of my tribe. I also declare myself as slav since my origin is slavic.My nationality is bulgarian and Im proud of this!!! |
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Post by daver2 on Sept 10, 2007 16:17:14 GMT -5
For me and for my community and the people I know, these two terms - being a Pole and a Slav at the same time, are as obvious as everything else in the world. What is more I have to add that Polish people also think they are the leading nation among all the Slavs  But don't get it seriously, heh, at least we all know that's a fact  |
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Post by stefan on Sept 10, 2007 16:25:20 GMT -5
I am of mixed origin Serb/Russian but i think of my self as a Serb first then everything else.
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Post by Tsar Simeon on Sept 10, 2007 16:30:15 GMT -5
I think of my self as a Bulgarian slav .... but BULGARIAN ABOVE ALL!
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Post by Volkov on Sept 10, 2007 17:08:14 GMT -5
Word Slav is meta-etnic concept becouse we have define it so, and the word nation is coming with the state you are living. I mean by my father I am from the slavic tribe Miaci, which are wide in west nort-west of Macedonia and Serbia by my mother I belong to the Slavic tribe Shopie, that are wide in nort-east of Macedonia, west Bulgaria and south-east of Serbia. Now I declare myself as Macedonian, my cousins by my father side declare themself as Serbs, my cousins by my mother side like Bulgarians and by that we belong to a diferent nations. So that nation word do not belong on some places. Its ok for Russia to declare llike nation , or Poland, but Serbian nation or Macedonian nation ? We are just to mixed and the only thing that devide us is the language. I don't have any problems with my national identity. I'm a Serb from both father's and mother's side, and Serbs as a nation exists back from 7th/8th century. Before that we were tribe or folk, not a nation. So we are nation for more than 1200 years, with precisely defined language, culture, territories and national identity. Macedonians maybe have problems defining their national identity. We don't, and I don't like to take other people's problems on the back of my nation. We are kin, but we aren't same and will never be. That's why I'm not Pan-Slavist but rather Slavic nationalist. Unified Slavic nation does not exist and it never existed in history, and probably won't exist in the future. I am not saying that you should. No nation should do that. We have to solve our COMMON problems together. Let me ask you how many Serbs have leave the Serbia for better life or building career. And all these men were the elite of Serbia (Like Nikola Tesla). Serbia just can not provide the conditions and the equipment for them to live and work there so they all go and work for U.S.A. Same thing is happening in almost all the Slavic countries. The best engineers, physicists, medics, scientists go outside and probably never return. And why is that? Serbia do not have enough money in the budget and institutions that can satisfy their appetite. Now think like this. If we specialize (just example) University of Moscow to be physicist center, University of Kiev medic center, University of Warsaw electrotehnical center ets. we can keep the elite here and we will stop the west harvesting the best, and you can stil keep you with precisely defined language, culture, territories and national identity. Nobody will forbid you to speak Serbian language or to make a Serbian weding. |
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Post by Volkov on Sept 10, 2007 17:36:46 GMT -5
We are kin, but we aren't same and will never be. That's why I'm not Pan-Slavist but rather Slavic nationalist. Unified Slavic nation does not exist and it never existed in history, and probably won't exist in the future. It's not the same. America is not a national country. It's rather a melting pot and an empire that won't last long. As for us Slavs, the last thing we need is another brother against brother bloodshed. Just take a look at our former country - Yugoslavia. Do you want the same story again, but on a larger scale??? I don't! Do you know about the civil war between the North and the South in the U.S. What do you think what kind of war was that if not " brother against brother bloodshed". Perhaps U.S. is weaker now but that does not mean that it will not last, after all it is the state with the oldest constitution. What about the European Union different nations, wars between them, hate as much, and they are stil trying somehow to unify. I know what happened in Yugoslavia. I don't like to happen again, but the source of that I believe was in the way that was created. In war it was created in war it was gone. |
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? We are just to mixed and the only thing that devide us is the language.
But don't get it seriously, heh, at least we all know that's a fact 
