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Post by BMPO KOMuTA on Apr 15, 2007 10:01:12 GMT -5
and to Solunksi is just a plain baffon that i dont pay attention end of debate Vratise kaj majchiniot bro..... Im a baffon? You can't even speak your own mother language that good, nor have you ever visited your home country, and your gonna come on here and act like a patriot? Please, at the same time you need to learn your history, from sources other then Cetnik.org, and Cetnikpride. He is not a patriot, Solunski - he is chauvinist, dreaming for Greater Serbia.  |
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Post by srbin on Apr 15, 2007 10:02:55 GMT -5
and to Solunksi is just a plain baffon that i dont pay attention end of debate Vratise kaj majchiniot bro..... Im a baffon? You can't even speak your own mother language that good, nor have you ever visited your home country Tito poked out my eyes and pissed on my brain , and your gonna come on here and act like a MOnkeydonkeyian ? Please, at the same time you need to learn your history, from sources other then Cetnik.org, and Cetnikpride. so are you doing a biography on my life or something? you have no clue who i am or where i come form so don't pretend to ok. I would tell you where i am from and where i grew up but i would consider it a waste of time talking to someone as dimwitted as you. |
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Post by Boris Sarafov on Apr 15, 2007 15:27:32 GMT -5
Im a baffon? You can't even speak your own mother language that good, nor have you ever visited your home country Tito poked out my eyes and pissed on my brain , and your gonna come on here and act like a MOnkeydonkeyian ? Please, at the same time you need to learn your history, from sources other then Cetnik.org, and Cetnikpride. so are you doing a biography on my life or something? you have no clue who i am or where i come form so don't pretend to ok. I would tell you where i am from and where i grew up but i would consider it a waste of time talking to someone as dimwitted as you. Your nothing but jokes |
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Post by BMPO KOMuTA on Apr 16, 2007 1:07:32 GMT -5
www.b-info.com/tools/miva/newsview.mv?url=places/Bulgaria/news/99-03/mar28d.btaNationalist Georgi Gelemenov has recruited 400 volunteers to fight on Serbian side, says "Sega". 432 Bulgarians have already joined the Serbian ranks and a new group will be sent, "24 Chassa" is told by Col. Tsonyu Kolev (Ret.), leader of a legion recruiting volunteers for Yugoslavia. 800 volunteers of Plovdiv (Southern Bulgaria) are leaving for Belgrade through the legion, "Demokratsiya" writes quoting legion coordinator Ivan Dionisiev. "They are recruiting volunteers. But there is an age limit of 65 years and there was no way I could stay," National Assembly Deputy Chairman Blagovest Sendov told "24 Chassa" after a brief visit to Belgrade. "It will be a slaughterhouse.[...] The Serbs will not give up and it should be clear to everybody," he tells "Troud". Despite the numerous insults in the past and today, some bulgarians are still willing to help Serbia. The slavic solidarity in action! |
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Post by srbin on Apr 16, 2007 9:40:43 GMT -5
www.b-info.com/tools/miva/newsview.mv?url=places/Bulgaria/news/99-03/mar28d.btaNationalist Georgi Gelemenov has recruited 400 volunteers to fight on Serbian side, says "Sega". 432 Bulgarians have already joined the Serbian ranks and a new group will be sent, "24 Chassa" is told by Col. Tsonyu Kolev (Ret.), leader of a legion recruiting volunteers for Yugoslavia. 800 volunteers of Plovdiv (Southern Bulgaria) are leaving for Belgrade through the legion, "Demokratsiya" writes quoting legion coordinator Ivan Dionisiev. "They are recruiting volunteers. But there is an age limit of 65 years and there was no way I could stay," National Assembly Deputy Chairman Blagovest Sendov told "24 Chassa" after a brief visit to Belgrade. "It will be a slaughterhouse.[...] The Serbs will not give up and it should be clear to everybody," he tells "Troud". Despite the numerous insults in the past and today, some bulgarians are still willing to help Serbia. The slavic solidarity in action! The whole bulgarian nation should have fouhgt alongside the serbs!
If they cede us back the western Outlands..... haha thats rich coming form a guy who said Yeah we should only help the Serbs if they cede us back the Western Outlands which is not a very Pan Slavic mentality and quite insulting. Slavic unity was working just fine before those comments. Western outland are not Bulgarian territories in any shape or form. 650 The Khazars’ aggressive territorial expansion drove some Bulgars westward. These Bulgars soon founded a kingdom in the southeastern Balkans that became known as Bulgaria. (TJOK, 1999, p.16) The last half of the 6th century CE saw the first major migrations of Slavs and Avars. During the 6th and 7th century CE, Slavic tribes made eight attempts to take Niš . During the final attack in 615 CE the invaders took the city, and most of the Roman population fled or perished, but some small traces survived in the local Vlach population. The city and nearby arable land were settled by Slavs. Conveniently 5 years prior Part of the White Serbs migrated to the Balkans in 610-641 led by the Unknown Archont. YOU CAME TO THE BALKANS at least 35 YEARS LATER. |
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Post by BMPO KOMuTA on Apr 16, 2007 9:59:07 GMT -5
No one can tell who came first - just because many bulgarians settled on the Balkans long before 681 with the hunnic invasions, and alone in a period between 4-6 century alongside the slavs. So telling who came first and who - second is a disputable question. The fact is, that in the beginning of the 19 century most of the lands of Moesia, Thrace and Macedonia were inhabited by bulgarians - I asked you many times what do you think about San Stefanska Bulgaria, but obviously this is an uncomfortable question for you. Let me refresh your mind: www.macedoniainfo.com/docs/macedonian_question.htmWhat about these SERBIAN LANDS?  ACCORDING TO ALL HISTORIANS THESE WERE THE ETHNIC LANDS OF THE BULGARIANS IN THE BEGINNING OF 19 CENTURY!!!  And what happened after the Berlin congress. THE WESTERN POWERS WERE AGAINST BIG SLAVIC NATION ON THE BALKANS!!!  THIS WAS THE UNITED BULGARIA THAT YOUR FUNNY KING MILAN WANTED TO DESTROY WITH CUNNING ATTACK WHILE OUR ARMY WAS ON THE TURKISH BORDER, READY TO REPELL TURKISH INVASION!!!  |
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Post by srbin on Apr 16, 2007 10:11:32 GMT -5
bro its still a ****y attitude to have for a pan Slavic forum and anyway that map doesnt include Nis or Vranje which is what it was talking(Serbia) about not Macedonia .and I told you what i think about your holy San Stefanska it doesnt entitle you to Serbian territories this is not a forum for promoting a Greater Bulgaria at the expense of other Slavic countries. And you still have not proved anything. And those are maps of the San Stefanska treaty get over i am talking about who came there first. thats the beginning of the 19th century dude if you read my posts you would have seen i was talking about the 600 god damn your stupid. 650 The Khazars’ aggressive territorial expansion drove some Bulgars westward. These Bulgars soon founded a kingdom in the southeastern Balkans that became known as Bulgaria. (TJOK, 1999, p.16) The last half of the 6th century CE saw the first major migrations of Slavs and Avars. During the 6th and 7th century CE, Slavic tribes made eight attempts to take Niš . During the final attack in 615 CE the invaders took the city, and most of the Roman population fled or perished, but some small traces survived in the local Vlach population. The city and nearby arable land were settled by Slavs. Conveniently 5 years prior Part of the White Serbs migrated to the Balkans in 610-641 led by the Unknown Archont. YOU CAME TO THE BALKANS at least 35 YEARS LATER. click on this link below www.slavija.proboards37.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=culture&thread=1115694432&page=6#1176658272Mayka ti duha na mechki v gorata kreten |
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Post by BMPO KOMuTA on Apr 16, 2007 10:19:50 GMT -5
San Stefanska Bulgaria INCLUDED ALL THE ETHNIC BULGARIAN LANDS IN THE 19 AND THE BEGINNING OF 20 CENTURY AND YOU KNOW THIS VERY WELL.
I'm promoting nothing - I just want the other forumers to see what we argue about and what is the "Macedonian question"
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Post by BMPO KOMuTA on Apr 16, 2007 10:23:30 GMT -5
Yes - you are right for one thing - this was long ago. Now thanks to the serbian and greek assimilation destructive politics there are no bulgarians there. The only place where the bulgarians preserved is FYROM.
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Post by srbin on Apr 16, 2007 10:25:48 GMT -5
thats the beginning of the 19th century dude if you read my posts you would have seen i was talking about the 600 god damn your stupid. you keep talking about this treaty i already told you this is in the 19th century has no relevence on who occupied those terrirories originaly secondly have you heard of the Cele Kula in Nis? whose heads is that filled with Serb or Bulgarian because last i remember Serbs On May 31, 1809 on Čegar Hill a few kilometers northeast of Niš, Serbian insurrectionists suffered their greatest defeat in the First Serbian Uprising against the Ottoman Empire (1804-1813). The insurrectionists' advance towards Niš was stopped here and, when the far stronger Turkish forces attacked, the battle was ended by the Serbian commander Stevan Sinđelić, who sacrificially fired at his gunpowder depot in order to avoid surrendering to the Turks, killing himself, the rest of his men, and the advancing Turks. After the retreat of the Serbian rebel army, the Turkish commander of Niš, Hurshid Pasha, ordered that the heads of the killed Serbians were to be mounted on a tower to serve as a warning to any other would-be revolutionaries. In all, 952 skulls were included, with the skull of Sindjelić placed at the top. The scalps from the skulls were stuffed with cotton and sent to Constantinople (modern Istanbul) as proof for Sultan Mahmud II. The tower stood in the open air until the liberation of Niš in 1878. By that time, much of the tower had deteriorated from weather conditions or from the removal of skulls for burial by relatives of killed rebels. In 1892, with donations gathered from all over Serbia, a graceful chapel designed by the Belgrade architect Dimitrije T. Leko was built to enclose what was left of the tower. Today, only 58 skulls remain, including Sindjelić's one. In front of the chapel stands the monument to Sinđelić, and a small relief depicting the battle, both from 1937. The monument commemorating the battle in the form of a guard tower was built in 1927 on Čegar Hill by Julian Djupon. The lower part is made out of stone from the Niš fortress. "My eyes and my heart greeted the remains of those brave men whose cut-off heads made the cornerstone of the independence of their homeland. May the Serbs keep this monument! It will always teach their children the value of the independence of a people, showing them the real price their fathers had to pay for it." "Qu'ils laissent subsister ce monument! Il apprendra a leurs enfants ce que vaut l'independance d'un peuple, en leur montrant à quel prix leurs peres l'ont payée." Alphonse de Lamartine, "Journey to the East", 1833 we inhabited those areas first and we earned them so deal with it  and this is not the forum for greater Bulgarian chauvinism e San Stefano peace was called "preliminary" by the Russians themselves. The Berlin Congress began on June 1 1878 and ended on July 1 1878 with the Berlin Treaty that created a vassal Bulgarian state in the lands between the Balkans and the Danube. The area between the Balkan Mountains and the Rila and Rhodope Mountains was called Eastern Rumelia. This artificially created state was autonomous in the borders of Turkey. The separation of southern Bulgaria into a different administrative region was a guarantee against the fears expressed by Great Britain and Austria-Hungary that Bulgaria would gain access to the Aegean Sea, which logically meant that Russia was getting closer to the Mediterranean. The third large portion of San Stefano Bulgaria — Macedonia — did not get even this slight taste of liberty, as it remained in the Ottoman borders like it had been before the war. what about it it happened and i fail to see your point doesnt entitle you to historically Serbian lands \YOU KEEP CALLING ME A GREATER SERBIAN CHAUVINIST EXPANSIONIST AND I HAVE NOT ONCE SAID ANYUTHING ABOUT EXPANDIND SERBIA AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU SAID WHEN YOU JOINED THIS FORUM IS "WE SHOULD ONLY HELP THE SERBS IF THEY CEDE US BACK THE WESTERN OUTLANDS"!!! LOOK IN THE MIRROR GUY YOU SEEM TO BE THE ONLY GREAER BULGARIAN CHAUVINIST HERE? AND YOU ACT SURPRISED WHEN YOU PISS SERBIANS OFF WHEN YOU SAY THIS SHIT??? |
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Post by BMPO KOMuTA on Apr 16, 2007 10:34:35 GMT -5
I see that we can not understand each other - The western Outlands ARE NOT NISH!!!
I'm talking about Bosilegrad, Dimitrovgrad, Babushnica, Surdulica, Zaichar.
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Post by BMPO KOMuTA on Apr 16, 2007 10:43:07 GMT -5
Do you know that the bulgarians in these lands will make their own ethnic party? Some of them want autonomy....... This is their flag:  |
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Post by srbin on Apr 16, 2007 11:01:35 GMT -5
I see that we can not understand each other - The western Outlands ARE NOT NISH!!! I'm talking about Bosilegrad, Dimitrovgrad, Babushnica, Surdulica, Zaichar. Yeah that territory was also Serbian before Treaty of Neuilly yes its true it switched hands but it to also has a history. for example Dimitrovgrad have you heard of Poganovo monastery? The monastery of Poganovo was constructed around 1390 as an endowment of the mighty Serbian noble, Master (Gospodin) Konstantin and his daughter Jelena, who later married the Byzantine Emperor and became mother to the last two emperors John VIII and Constantine XII. Master Konstantin, who ruled the area of Eastern Serbia and Macedonia at that time The sponsors of the monastery are Constantin, squire of despot Stefan Lazarevic and Zajecar originaly After Triballians, the Mysians are mentioned to have been in this area. Slavic in-migration into the Balkan Peninsula and particularly in the valley of the Timok can barely be reconstructed even in rough features. After occasional forays, their settling of the Balkans started at the beginning of the seventh century A.D. Those Slavs that settled in the valley of the Timok were called Timokians. As a settlement Zaječar was mentioned for the first time in a Turkish census from the year of 1466. (during the reign of the sultan Muhammad II, called The Conqueror). The settlement had eight families at the time. Babusnica in times when the Slavs and Avars were invading the Balkans, the settling was named Quimedava, and was situated on the southern slope of the Sarlah Hill. Corresponding to the archaeological investigations, the town back then, surrounded by forts and fortified walls, also included an early Christian basilica, termas (public bathrooms), a necropolis (graveyard), and other facilities. Beside the military fortress, a civil settlement existed on the site called Majilka. Although Byzantium successfully defended itself from the barbaric tribes’ raids, the Balkans were teeming with the Slavs in the second half of the VI century and at the beginning of the VII century. The Slavs soon became a crucial ethnical element on the peninsula. In the Middle Ages, Pirot was respectively under Byzantine, Bulgarian and Serbian administration and then Surdulica In medieval times, Surdulica was the part of Serbian state ruled by Nemanjics. Extraction and refinement of iron ore is also present in this period. The proof of this are numerous mining sites spread along Surdulica surroundings. Those sites are today used in industrial purposes. In the first half of XV century, according to writings of Constantine the Philosopher, the area of today's Surdulica (then known as Inogost) was ruled by the feudal lord Ugljesa. In the second half of XV century, this area became the subject of turkish feudal rule. From that time to the year of 1877. Surdulica existed as a mining village. Surdulica of that time was described in writings of B. Kuripesic: "They arrived in Vranja... and reached the village of Surdulica". From surrounding villages came: Božilovi, Slančani, Cvilikari (village Bitvrđa) ; Vasiljevići i Vojčinovići (village Masurica); Stojiljkovići (village Bojince) ; Pešinci (village Upper Romanovce); Anđelkovići (village Vučadelce); Stankovići (village Novo Selo); Stojiljkovići (village Bojince); Dubravci (village Ravna Reka). Zeljari, Stojkovići, Cvetkovići i Čubrini. Dervečani are from Dervenac (Džep area) originate from Vlasina. Antići i Tare are from Crna Trava. From Vranje area came: Grebenarci, Jankovići ("Kušinci"), Janjinci, Palikućinci, Popovići, Stošići, Vlasi ("Mečkari"), Ćosinci, Stankovići (village Preobraženje), Kupinčani (village Kopinince), Krivofejci (village Kriva Feja), Dubravci (village Trebešinje); Bujkovčani (village Tibužde). Vučkovići and Tasini (village Radovnica) are from upper Pcinja. From Veles and its area came Veljkovići, Đošini and Dimkovići a Kitanovići from Debar area in Macedonia arrived in the village of Mackatica, In the end we mention that Radojičani were originally from Bulgaria. so thats only one Bulgarian family SURDULICA-THE SECOND GOLGOTHA World War I brought great misfortune and grief to the small town of Surdulica. Surdulica was occupied by Bulgarians in autumn 1915. Hard working and patriotic people of Surdulica was forced to endure and whitness the torture and death. Bulgarian occupation forces turned Surdulica into the slaughterhouse of Serbian people. Thousands of Serbs were transported to Bulgaria and barely half of them ever eached theid destination. The rest of them ended their road on the killing grounds of Surdulica. Bulgarian policy toward Serbs was clear. Everything that bore Serbian name was strictly forbidden, even the word "Serb". Systematical bulgarization of Serbs was conducted. Also the numerous atrocities were commited: torture, rape, internments, taxes, robberies, destruction... All more prominent and educated Serbs were killed, priests, teachers, civil servants, party members, lawyers, book sellers... Bulgarians were especially cruel to Serbian church and it's priests. Since the first days of occupation, Bulgarians started with mass murder of Serbian civilians. Surdulica had the highest number of victims compared to other towns and cities. The places where the killings took place were guarded, so the citizens of Surdulica couldn't even see and bury their dead. Exumation of bodies and bones from the killing grounds conducted by the international team of experts, which included people such as Swiss, Dr. Archibald Rheiss and American William Drayton didn't give the complete insight into the sheer dimensions of the crimes. People from entire Serbia had been killed in Surdulica. Most of the killings happened at a place called Duboka dolina, but they also occured at places like Kalifer, Dubrava, and along the river Vrla and Romanovci creek. In his investigation, Dr. Jovan Hadzi-Vasiljevic claims: "In the beginning, Bulgarians killed Serbs with rifles, then they used cold weapons, and then with rifle butts and other blunt objects." The exact number of Serbs killed in Surdulica remained unknown. However, this number could be obtained from Bulgarian archives from the time when the crimes were commited. Dr. Milivoje Petrovic, the author of known book "The Toplica Rising" made several attempts to access Bulgarian military archives from the World War I, but he wasn't allowed to. So, the exact number of savagely murdered Serbs ranges from 3.000 to 30.000 men women and children. In his report, based on statements made by only six whitnesses from Surdulica, he claimed that 2.000-3.000 people were killed. The people originated from Surdulica's surrounding areas or they had been brought from far away places. Rheiss claims that whitnesses were unable to count them, because there were too many of them. Dr. Jovan Hadzi-Vasiljevic in one of his books stated, that Bulgarians killed 2.000 Serbs in first three months of occupation. His statement was based on account of a Bulgarian soldier. An American, William Drayton in his report to allied commitee for inspecting of Bulgarian crimes stated that all educated and more prominent Serbs were captured and transported to Bulgaria. On their way to Bulgaria, a great number of Serbs were killed in Surdulica. He claimed that Bulgarians brought 200-400 Serbs to Surdulica, every day in the first month of occupation, most of whom were killed. Our famous writer, Bora Stankovic wrote of Bulgarian crimes in Surdulica: "Surdulica was meant to give rest to man, refreshing him with its nature, it was like a center between the wilderness of Vlasina, gentleness of Topli Do and vast meadows of Masurica... But, with this role, destiny had given Surdulica the task to bear a great cross of martyrdom and to become the second Golgotah, the tomb of Serbs, killed and slaughtered not by the enemy, but by the beasts and trash of mankind. How a man is eerily touched by mere walk on these places, graves, mounds. Every gulley is someone's grave. Your every step will pull you back. To stop you from stepping on the dead, who is still in his suit. Abohe him is thin layer of earth through which the grass has grown and covers him together with other growth and yellow leaves. You are afraid that your brotherly foot doesn't step on him and desecrate him. But, you can't be excused... Surdulica is no longer that small place, the trade link between hill villages and the railway, Vladicin Han, Vranje, and the place most fit and healthiest for life and existance. Surdulica is now for Prilep, Gnjilane, Skoplje, Prizren, Vranje, Leskovac, for old Serbia, the centre of Dushan's empire that once was-the second Kosovo: the burial place of its finest sons, women, children, of everything the enemy considered to be the life of one nation. So he collected them and slashed them here. Now, everywhere, in every of there towns, villages, homes and families whose fathers, sons were brought here and slain, Surdulica will be remembered, mentioned during burials, funeral services. Every mother..."  |
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Post by BMPO KOMuTA on Apr 16, 2007 11:20:47 GMT -5
Branislav - there are bulgarian majorities in these places. Especially in Bosilegrad and Dimitrovgrad. See - even the names are bulgarian. There is one town here also with the name Dimitrovgrad. IMRO DEMANDS AUTONOMY FOR BULGARIANS IN SERBIA "IMRO (Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization) demands autonomy for the Bulgarians in Serbia", "24 Chassa" and "Troud" write. The 14th congress of the organization was held Sunday. There are two IMRO MPs in Parliament, the organization is a coalition partner of the ruling Union of Democratic Forces. "We mean economic and cultural autonomy and not necessary a political one", "Troud" quotes IMRO leader Krassimir Karakachanov as saying. The congress reelected Karakachanov IMRO chairman for the next three years. "24 Chassa" writes that the Hungarians in Vojvodina have such autonomy. Some 35,000 Bulgarians live in the Western Outlands (a territory Bulgaria lost to Serbia under the 1919 Treaty of Neuilly). IMRO will insist on more rights for the Bulgarian in Aegean Macedonia, as well, "24 Chassa" writes. "We will demand that the Bulgarian government assume the duty to demand the autonomous status of the Western Outlands after the conclusion of the conflict. The time has come for Bulgaria to become first power in the Balkans," reads a special declaration which the Congress adopted, "Sega" writes. www.b-info.com/tools/miva/newsview.mv?url=places/Bulgaria/news/99-03/mar29d.btaHere is the map:  Territories ceded by the treaty cover an area of 1,545 km² in Serbia and 1,028 km² in the Republic of Macedonia. In Serbia, to which the term generally applies in Bulgaria, the area is split between the modern Serbian District of Pirot (municipality of Dimitrovgrad and smaller parts of the municipalities of Pirot and Babuðnica) and District of Pèinja (municipality of Bosilegrad and a small part of the municipality of Surdulica). It also includes a small section along the Timok River in the municipality and District of Zajeèar. In 1919 the area corresponded to the following parts of the Bulgarian okrugs: Kyustendil, 661 km², Tzaribrod 418 km², Trn 278 km², Kula 172 km² and Vidin 17 km². Bulgarian sources claim that the Bulgarian population made 95% of the population in Bosilegrad and 75% of the population in Tzaribrod at the time. In the Yugoslav Census of 1931, all South Slavs were simply counted as Yugoslavs (Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Bulgarians) so a comparison could not be made. According to the last Census in Serbia from 2002, Bulgarians made 50% and 71% of population in Dimitrovgrad and Bosilegrad respectively. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_OutlandsSo - there are lands which you still owe us. They are inhabited with my brothers and I wonder why do you call me chauvinist? Maybe because I want BULGARIAN UNITY? Maybe as a typicall serb chauvinist you don't like this? WELL - IT'S YOUR PROBLEM! But don't use such big words and stop accusing me of something that I'm not. It is not a chauvinism to want freedom and unity of your nation. I want exactly this - unity and justice!!! And as I sai about Kosovo - it is your land and you should keep it. But I will not agree bulgarian lands to remain in Serbia!!! |
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Post by srbin on Apr 16, 2007 17:06:38 GMT -5
See - even the names are bulgarian. There is one town here also with the name Dimitrovgrad.
don't play dumb It was officially named Caribrod . The contemporary name - Dimitrovgrad was assigned to Caribrod in 1951.
Dimitrovgrad was named after Georgi Dimitrov, a Bulgarian Communist leader Dimitrov become involved in discreet projects for the creation of a Balkan Communist Federation, approaching Josip Broz Tito: the two signed the 1947 Bled accord calling for closer cooperation in several areas. he had tried to convince the Romanian leadership to join the proposed Federation. Tito's dissidence prevented the secession of Pirin Macedonia and the negotiated admission of Bulgaria as a republic into the Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia.
(June 18, 1882 - July 2, 1949 ) & DON'T GIVE ME THIS GARBAGE ANYWAY THERE IS A DIMITROVGRAD IN RUSSIA ALSO
Caribrod similar to other Serbians towns like Kokin Brod, Brodarevo
Slavonski Brod
or another village Brod in Kosovo and more etc.....
but i did see in Macedonia Makedonski Brod and upon further research i noticed that
"it was determined that the area was populated by the Romans. Later, with the arrival of Slavs to the Balkan peninsula, the Slavic tribe Berziti (Brsjaci) settled here."
The Bršjaci (also known as Berziti) were - along with the Draguvites - one of two original Slavic tribes to settle in the northern part of the region of Macedonia in the 6th century AD. The areas where they settled are today the Republic of Macedonia as well as a part of Kosovo and the adjacent Preševo Valley in Serbia.
With the advent of modern nations during the early second millennium, the local name of Brshjaks would fall into disuse, first with the locals holding onto a Slavic identity while sharing their homeland with non-Slavic peoples (e.g. Avarians, Greeks, Illyrians, Dacians, Bulgars,
Branislav - there are bulgarian majorities in these places. Especially in Bosilegrad and Dimitrovgrad.
ohhh really?? I wonder how that happened
MAYBE IT has such a big Bulgarian Population because of the massacres "
"Bulgarian policy toward Serbs was clear. Everything that bore Serbian name was strictly forbidden, even the word "Serb". Systematical bulgarization of Serbs was conducted. Also the numerous atrocities were commited: torture, rape, internments, taxes, robberies, destruction... All more prominent and educated Serbs were killed, priests, teachers, civil servants, party members, lawyers, book sellers... Bulgarians were especially cruel to Serbian church and it's priests."
"Surdulica was meant to give rest to man, refreshing him with its nature, it was like a center between the wilderness of Vlasina, gentleness of Topli Do and vast meadows of Masurica... But, with this role, destiny had given Surdulica the task to bear a great cross of martyrdom and to become the second Golgotah, the tomb of Serbs, killed and slaughtered not by the enemy, but by the beasts and trash of mankind.
How a man is eerily touched by mere walk on these places, graves, mounds. Every gulley is someone's grave. Your every step will pull you back. To stop you from stepping on the dead, who is still in his suit. Abohe him is thin layer of earth through which the grass has grown and covers him together with other growth and yellow leaves. You are afraid that your brotherly foot doesn't step on him and desecrate him. But, you can't be excused... Surdulica is no longer that small place, the trade link between hill villages and the railway, Vladicin Han, Vranje, and the place most fit and healthiest for life and existance. Surdulica is now for Prilep, Gnjilane, Skoplje, Prizren, Vranje, Leskovac, for old Serbia, the centre of Dushan's empire that once was-the second Kosovo: the burial place of its finest sons, women, children, of everything the enemy considered to be the life of one nation. So he collected them and slashed them here. Now, everywhere, in every of there towns, villages, homes and families whose fathers, sons were brought here and slain, Surdulica will be remembered, mentioned during burials, funeral services. Every mother..."
On 24. august 1924. the monument tomb was presented and memorial high-school was also constructed as a unique monument for victims of Bulgarian crimes committed in Surdulica 1915-18. The monument was presented by king Aleksandar Karadjordjevic. Every year after that, on 28. june, on Vidovdan the rememberance day was held in the memory of the victims of Bulgarian crimes
During the Second World War, the Bulgarians demolished the tomb and destroyed all exibits. In 1943. they tore down the building itself, so today there is only a memorial plate, which was erected later.
 originally it Caribrod & Surdulica was ruled by the Serbs
Constantine Dragaš was the son of the Serbian sebastokratōr Dejan by Theodora (Eudokia), a sister of the Serbian Emperor Stefan Uroš IV Dušan. His maternal grandparents were Stefan Dečanski
The Dragaš brothers generously endowed several monasteries on Mount Athos, including Hilandar, Pantaleimon and Vatopédi.
here is the Serb monastery Poganovo from the 14th century Endowment of Konstantin Dragas and the frescos of St Sava and St Simeon   post=1176740447] IMRO DEMANDS AUTONOMY FOR BULGARIANS IN SERBIA Territories ceded by the treaty cover an area of 1,545 km² in Serbia and 1,028 km² in the Republic of Macedonia. yeah its nothing new you want these old Serbian territories the IMRO is not pan Slavic thing its the opposite for example your IMRO hero Krste Misirkov quotes are " The Serbs are much inferior than we are" & "the Serbs, which stand much inferior from us in spiritual narrow-mindedness and chauvinism. " sound like you are quoting him with all the times you called me a Serb chauvinist. and if you haven't noticed this is a Pan Slavic forum where all Slavs are EQUAL!! and historically Caribrod and all theses "Western out lands are Serbian lands" and regardless Bulgaria is a powerfull country Serbia is being systematically destroyed by the west and all you can do is b1tch and moan about these western outland? not a very Slavic mentality thats a Chauvinist Greater Bulgarian Mentality. you are a tool for the west. historically its not your land in certain later moments in history it was but we could say the same thing about some of your territories which were once Serb The Patriarch of Constantinople mentioned the Serbian, Ugljesha in a letter from 1371, Ugljesha's state was around Lower Struma. A river, about 348 km (216 mi) long, of western Bulgaria and northeast Greece flowing southward to an inlet of the Aegean Sea. Should i claim these eastern outlands? but i don't why because i am not greedy and i care more about a Slavic Empire where there is one land the Slavic land where all Slavs are welcome and i chose not to focus on these senseless territorial debates amongst other Slavs. post=1176740447]But don't use such big words and stop accusing me of something that I'm not. ohhh and what you have a problem with "big words" I guess that means you have problems with being educated  I guess thats why you are so confused about history you cant even read it so you just resort to being a hypocrite labeling me a Serbian chauvinist for expansion meanwhile you Declare expansion of Bulgaria in one of your first posts while quoting a Serbophobe on a Slavic forum, Kuha lejka. post=1176740447]And as I sai about Kosovo - it is your land and you should keep it. But I will not agree bulgarian lands to remain in Serbia!!! Yes Kosovo is Serbian same as the Western Outlands their history is practically identical you seem to think that we need Bulgarian approval we know whats ours do some research and find out what is yours and what is not. |
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ACCORDING TO ALL HISTORIANS THESE WERE THE ETHNIC LANDS OF THE BULGARIANS IN THE BEGINNING OF 19 CENTURY!!!
I guess thats why you are so confused about history you cant even read it so you just resort to being a hypocrite labeling me a Serbian chauvinist for expansion meanwhile you Declare expansion of Bulgaria in one of your first posts while quoting a Serbophobe on a Slavic forum, Kuha lejka.