Some of Czechs are not Slavs

[Slavski]

jarynrad said:

Slavski, i think you should burn your "Historical Atlas of East Central Europe", which tells this:

I have this book called Historical Atlas of East Central Europe that is loaded with statistics, including the Enthnolinguistic - national composition of Czechoslovakia. This census data was taken in '91 before the separation. Anyway this is the percent breakdown listed:

Czechs 54.1 %
Moravians (Czechs) 8.7
Silesians 0.3
Germans 0.2
Slovaks 31.0
Magyars 3.8
Rusyns 0.1
Russians 0.0
Ukrainians 0.1
Jews 0.0
Poles 0.4
Gypsies 0.7
Romanians 0.0
Others 0.1

It's already a pile of ashes. Good post Slavian, always good to know the truth, even if the truth is not pleasant

[jarek]

Asexpected, 40 percent of Czechs are of western Slav origin, 25 percent of Romanesque origin, 11 percent of southern Slav origin, 10 percent of German origin, and 5 percent of Semitic origin.

So 51% are still of slavic origin? Its not such a bad result. I thought it would be much worser. But only 10% of german origin. That wonders me somehow. And even so that 25% czechs have romanesque ancestors. But the biggest group of all are still slavs.

[demokrat]

Do you take that seriously? It is difficult to find a "pure Slav", anyway? How would such research end up in Croatia, Serbia, Russia, or Bulgaria? And what role does their origin play? It is important that they are Slavs now, most Czechs won't identify themselves with their "German roots" anyway (maybe only those, who had a German grandparent and want to obtain German citizenship).

[Slavski]

demokrat said:

Do you take that seriously? It is difficult to find a "pure Slav", anyway? How would such research end up in Croatia, Serbia, Russia, or Bulgaria? And what role does their origin play? It is important that they are Slavs now, most Czechs won't identify themselves with their "German roots" anyway (maybe only those, who had a German grandparent and want to obtain German citizenship).

I remember when I was in Prague it seemed to me those I met really tried to distance themse;ves from being considered "Slav". From what I gathered, I think most of the anti Slav sentiment they had was their dislike of Russia or more accurately the former USSR days. Instead of identifying with being slavs, they considered themselves as Celtic in origin. I guess Celtic tribe of Bohii (or something like that) occupied the Bohemian region before the slavs arrived.

[demokrat]

slavski said:

demokrat said:

Do you take that seriously? It is difficult to find a "pure Slav", anyway? How would such research end up in Croatia, Serbia, Russia, or Bulgaria? And what role does their origin play? It is important that they are Slavs now, most Czechs won't identify themselves with their "German roots" anyway (maybe only those, who had a German grandparent and want to obtain German citizenship).

I remember when I was in Prague it seemed to me those I met really tried to distance themse;ves from being considered "Slav". From what I gathered, I think most of the anti Slav sentiment they had was their dislike of Russia or more accurately the former USSR days. Instead of identifying with being slavs, they considered themselves as Celtic in origin. I guess Celtic tribe of Bohii (or something like that) occupied the Bohemian region before the slavs arrived.

Well, there are some individuals like that, but I think that those are sporadic cases, most Czechs would identify themselves with being Slavic, we learn at school about our Slavic origin You are right that a lot of people might not see the obvious difference between Russia and Soviet Union and call Russians "Ruskies" and so on. But a considerable part of Czech society also likes Russia.

[Slavski]

Nice to hear that many Czechs still feel themselves slavic.

demokrat said:

a considerable part of Czech society also likes Russia.

And a considerable portion of Russians also like Czechs. Can you blame them for wanting to occupy you?



Anytime is a good time to get plastered in Prauge.

[jarek]

demokrat said:

Do you take that seriously? It is difficult to find a "pure Slav", anyway? How would such research end up in Croatia, Serbia, Russia, or Bulgaria? And what role does their origin play? It is important that they are Slavs now, most Czechs won't identify themselves with their "German roots" anyway (maybe only those, who had a German grandparent and want to obtain German citizenship).

No, I don't take it seriously. And as you've got the example from the balkans, it is not important to be a slav genetically, what counts is just the culture you are living in and the language. The most important fact in my opinion is, that the czech culture is a slavic culture and that the people use a slavic language. Only that makes slavs out of them, even if some of them would perhaps say that they see them as celts or something like that. The language is a key and the way how we use it forms our mind from the early days of our life. It is e.g. impossible to become a german, if you don't speak german and don't live under germans, and it is also impossible to become celtic, without speaking a celtic language and don't have anything from that old celtic culture in you anymore. So those declarations from different persons, that they see themself as celts are very unqualified and naive, they just don't know what they are saying.

[jarek]

demokrat said:

most Czechs won't identify themselves with their "German roots" anyway (maybe only those, who had a German grandparent and want to obtain German citizenship).

It just wondered me, that the german percentage is so low.
On the other hand the germans are a mixed nation too.(especially in the east, and in some parts of west germany). And their mixing continues, 6 Million Turks and arabs waiting to improve the "german-genetic-pool" ;D , 2 or 3 Million Russians ("Russians with german ancestors" (they all look like slavs)), Poles, Italians, Romanians, .....
(I think every thirth or fourth "german citizen" has got an immigration background considering the last 60 Years)

The only point is, that the germans would never ever marry turks or russians, so they mostly stay within their own community and in their own ghettos. The russians get germanized within 1 or 2 Generations. The Turks and arabs are very resistant to the german culture, they are to proud to let them germanize. 40-50 years have passed since the turks came to germany, but they still prefer to speak turkish, even the youngest generation of them often can not speak german or has got very big problems in school. The Turks are in germany the absolute "Underclass", they just make the most dirty and dangerous work for the germans. And most of the youger ones even don't finish their school or learn a profession.


And the germans have quietly to tolerate them and punctually pay them their monthly unemployment money, otherwise the will soon have they same situation as in France:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=orF1i36F5u4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObHCzn37H70
www.youtube.com/watch?v=64pCX82VRBM


Turkish guy giving a german a lession in behavior:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q2J_msoeuw


TV Report: 4000 Germans Converted To ISLAM in 2006:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwMSvYTuCQE

[joko]

This is the same issue with the Bulgarians. I mean, come on! enough is enough. Just because the "Bulgars" were not Slavic in the distant past should mean something? Slavs today are Slavs and should focus on cooperation rather than arguing over geneologies.

[nb78]

jarek said:

And the germans have quietly to tolerate them and punctually pay them their monthly unemployment money, otherwise the will soon have they same situation as in France:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=orF1i36F5u4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObHCzn37H70
www.youtube.com/watch?v=64pCX82VRBM

Ugh, those videos made me sick. I hate to say this but here in Australia, some southern Slavs like to mix with the Turks and other middle eastern scum and act like that. They bring such shame to the rest of us.

[Яромip]

How do these studies derive archetypal Slavic DNA?
To do that, we'd need a sizable population of which we can be sure that they are 100% Slavs with no mixing. Even then, I suspect early Slavs were a genetically diverse population without a single dominant archetype.

Studies like that are likely done to promote further Germinization and lend legitimacy to German occupation/exploitation.

[kolowrat]

Slavian, You cannot watch that way.
Everybody connects one haplogroup of Y hr. of DNK with one nation which is wrong.

Same in Serbia. There is one study which says Serbs have R1a (higher in Russian) about 1/3 only and some people say you are not slavs. But they not mention I group which is characteristic for Hungarian people most but also in West Slav countries...


simplified I + R1a = 2/3


One nation is combination of couple of hg, not one. Nations came latter trough history than hg in DNK.

[kolowrat]

And what about Title "most of Chechs are not slavs"

and

in next post you have answear where you talk about 40 ws + 11 ss which is 51%

:confused:

[kolowrat]

i believe to you but all border slav countries have influence or some other nation.

did you ever mention that eastern germans are at least 50% of slavic but they will never admit that.

you can do same in Chech because nation in modern days is not only connected to "ancestors" but also is matter of choosing/liking/loving.

The way you can put Chechs to think about their Slavic origins is by forums like this or some "marketing capaign".

[kolowrat]

second is maybe thats the reason not putting chech flag on my avatar.

most of them simply getting away from slav origins by bad experiance of Komunism and big influence of germany, like in Croatia.

for me, that is temporary state

also in Serbia, from Civil War 1991-1995 there are so many new schoolars. They talk about Iliryc or Greek or ... origins.