Kuboslav
Praporshchik
Slavic Soldier
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Post by Kuboslav on Aug 21, 2007 18:21:43 GMT -5
There are a lot of Slavic countries - Slavic Union is our dream in this moment... I wanted to ask you if you know how is it in your state?
Do you have any conscription? Universal duty of defence as in Poland? How long does it last? In every kind of armed forces the same time?
How society looks at soldiers? Is nation proud of their protectors? How young men look at their duty?
And question for those who served or serve in army as private - Do you have something like "wave" ("injury of interpersonal relations" beetween younger and older soldiers in officers' language)?
I think that I have much more question for you - especially to those who live in Balkans and to our estern neighbours, but first I have to now these things...
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Post by Lonevolk on Aug 27, 2007 18:53:30 GMT -5
The following is for Serbia
It's a mixture of contract and conscripted soldiers. Conscription is being phased out by 2010. Currently the conscripts serve a symbolic 6 month tour in all branches of the military.
Judging by what they spend on them...not very favourably
It depends on which side of politics you stand.....I think most people are proud of them
The majority would like to avoid military service if they could.
But as always, there are some who will do anything to get in. Usually all vacancies for contract soldiers get filled up pretty quick.
When I was serving, we did.....the senior conscripts use to give a hard time to the fresh ones.
Usually nothing serious, but sometimes it gets out of hand....1 young soldier from a neighbouring unit hanged himself during my time due to not being able to take the abuse.
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Post by demokrat on Sept 11, 2007 10:43:54 GMT -5
The following is for Serbia It's a mixture of contract and conscripted soldiers. Conscription is being phased out by 2010. Currently the conscripts serve a symbolic 6 month tour in all branches of the military. This sucks! Serbia should keep conscription, at least until the Kosovo problem is resolved. |
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Post by Tsar Simeon on Sept 22, 2007 9:29:09 GMT -5
Why conscription?
Serbia has a very experienced land force after 10 years of constant wars.
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Post by slavfighter91 on Oct 7, 2007 12:31:25 GMT -5
its hard to hear this about serbia.. it is the politicians duty (although i know they dont care about their duties) to encourage young men to protect their home. Now that we are ahead of another war for Kosovo ir is vital to get an army that can endure a long two front war. But i think the fact that when UN started to talk about making Kosovo independant, 10000 men volunteered to defend it shows that the moral is not so bad. Anyhow it must be improved because the youth is a countries future and if they arent interested in their homecountries military..it looks real bad for Serbia.
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Post by Tsar Simeon on Oct 7, 2007 13:02:46 GMT -5
morale bad with the serbs?
hehehe never mate ... those guys are ready for all ...
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Post by Alexandrus on Oct 7, 2007 14:07:01 GMT -5
There are a lot of Slavic countries - Slavic Union is our dream in this moment... I wanted to ask you if you know how is it in your state? Do you have any conscription? Universal duty of defence as in Poland? How long does it last? In every kind of armed forces the same time? How society looks at soldiers? Is nation proud of their protectors? How young men look at their duty? And question for those who served or serve in army as private - Do you have something like "wave" ("injury of interpersonal relations" beetween younger and older soldiers in officers' language)? I think that I have much more question for you - especially to those who live in Balkans and to our estern neighbours, but first I have to now these things... In Russia the army is a living hell, constant harassment by officers and seniors, just a year ago some guy had his legs amputated because of the beating he got in the army. |
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Post by slavfighter91 on Oct 7, 2007 16:20:29 GMT -5
morale bad with the serbs? hehehe never mate ... those guys are ready for all ... look thats what i hope and what i think...but if that what was said someposts before is true then we had to worry..anyway what ever albanians throw at us..Kosovo is serbian! |
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Post by Tsar Simeon on Oct 10, 2007 13:09:54 GMT -5
seriously mate ... what can albanians throw at u ? they barely got money to buy AK's ... the only thing they can throw forward is their cocks and make more children.....
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Post by Alexandrus on Oct 10, 2007 13:29:42 GMT -5
seriously mate ... what can albanians throw at u ? they barely got money to buy AK's ... the only thing they can throw forward is their cocks and make more children..... Does Albania even has an army ? |
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Post by Lonevolk on Oct 11, 2007 0:54:35 GMT -5
I'm not as optimistic as you guys, but I hope I'm wrong. Here's a few facts you should consider: 1. After the fall of Milosevic, the new government retired a lot of the officers that took part in the 90's war because they were seen as political opponents. 2. Others ended up in the Hague accused of war crimes.....so the message is -- if you take part in wars you will end up in jail. 3. The ones that deserted and fled the country have been pardoned and their actions have been excused as "just", while others who took part in the fighting are not being looked after. This has created a negative attitude towards military service. 4. A lot of the older equipment has been scrapped, but only a small amount has been replaced by new stuff. The most hideous example was the destruction of 1200 STRELA-2 launchers (man portable anti-air missiles) to prevent them from falling into "terrorist" hands  .....the guest of honour at the ceremony was the US ambasador.....but everyone knew the real reason was the threat they posed to Nato aircraft. During the 1999 war, attack helicopters were not used by Nato, ONLY because the Serbian units were well equipped with STRELA and IGLA missiles. 5. The new Army is a lot smaller and is designed to be a sort of "Nato-auxilary" force. The majority of the higher officer echelons are in their positions because they're "politically suitable" (meaning pro-Nato). 6. I'm sure that western intelligence has infiltrated the command structure with their agents and they know everything in advance. ----------- Not to sound too negative, there are some positive changes....there is a lot more professional soldiers these days, who are better trained and the units are pretty mobile. A lot of the lower ranked officers are nationalistically inclined, as are a lot of these contract soldiers. Despite all the media propaganda there is still enough patriotically inclined young people who I'm sure would step forward if needed. A lot of the retired veteran officers are still young enough to be reactivated in case of a major war. |
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Post by slavfighter91 on Oct 11, 2007 5:28:54 GMT -5
you say what i am fearing about... serbia must complete turn away from western europe and Nato of course. And all this war crime blabla..i hate hague for what they did. What we need is a nationalist governemnt that focuses as well on developing connections to moscow,takes care of the citizens and omst of all improves the armed force. Serbia is between two hostile nations and threatend from the outside as well as from inside. A revolution might do it or a far more right wing elction result. Then with a clear one party rule, or a good old monarchy the infiltrated lobbies can be cleansed again. But the democratic way the politicians go now will bring doom but nothing else.
And simeon..the Albanians are pretty weak alone but they have a lot of support from the US..and right now they got a lot of troops in Kosovo. Maybe they have no money for AKs buttheyll be simply equipped by Nato forces with M16s. Btw i like the idea that lonevolk mentioned... I know what destruction CAS can bring and that airdefence has worked out in the 90s has worked is proven. I think russia will supply us with AA missiles when war breaks out.
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Post by Tsar Simeon on Oct 11, 2007 13:45:22 GMT -5
The albanians are pathetic mate ... what can the US do  We saw what they did when they tried to bomb u in 1998 ... the top nato general was scared to let his planes fly below 6000ft altitude cuz of AA fire ... if they had sent in ground troops that would be their most costly move as they will get ass raped. And most importantly the US will not go to another war ... look at how stretched they are and how unpopular they would be if they decided to attack ANY country at the moment. The most scary weapon of an albanian is his DICK ... cuz they make like 9 children in 1 family. |
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Post by Lonevolk on Oct 12, 2007 1:20:59 GMT -5
Just to add that the recruitment levels for the Army are becoming encouraging again. The response for the March 2007 call up was 90% and for September 2007 even better (I think about 95%)
Also, there is openly anti-Nato rhethoric even from some of the government members.....so maybe the worst has past already.
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Post by slavfighter91 on Oct 12, 2007 8:43:49 GMT -5
Sounds good to me. As we can see the US brought itself into a paralized status by their own stupidity. The war for Kosovo will hopefully fought without NATO, UN or US involvement. Anyway if they attack anyhow they will learn their final lesson then.
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.....the guest of honour at the ceremony was the US ambasador.....but everyone knew the real reason was the threat they posed to Nato aircraft. During the 1999 war, attack helicopters were not used by Nato, ONLY because the Serbian units were well equipped with STRELA and IGLA missiles.
We saw what they did when they tried to bomb u in 1998 ... the top nato general was scared to let his planes fly below 6000ft altitude cuz of AA fire ... if they had sent in ground troops that would be their most costly move as they will get ass raped. And most importantly the US will not go to another war ... look at how stretched they are and how unpopular they would be if they decided to attack ANY country at the moment.