Post by russkiivoin on Mar 10, 2005 23:13:36 GMT -5
Also I thought i had stummbled on a site run by Eastern Europeans i didnt realise it was full of gringos, with their peculiar brand of anti political correctness , political corectness.
I'm sorry but what does that even mean?
As for the modern Bulgarians being mainly Slavic that is indisputable. My problem is their great pride in the term Bulgarian to describe their ethnicity.I would like to ask them to tell me how long has that termed been in use to describe that part of the world.The Bulgarian medieval kingdoms were nothing more than a historical flash in the pan.
THAT AREA HAS BEEN PART OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE ROMAN EMPIRE AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS THRACE.
So why should a predominately Slavic people use the term Bulgar as their national name and be so proud of it.
THEN ATTEMPT TO FORCE IT ON THOSE OF US IN THE BALKANS WHO DO NOT ACEPT IT AS A RELEVANT DESCRIPTIVE TERM.
That's a ridiculous point and I find it rather ironic that someone that calls himself 'makedonskisloven' would say that Bulgarians shouldn't use the word “Bulgarian” because it originally wasn't Slavic. It's Slavic now and that is what's important. As I'm sure you know Bulgar and Slavic tribes united to form the modern Bulgarian people, quite clearly the small number of Bulgars melted into the greater Slavic ethos a very long time ago and I for one don't see any problem with that.
Post by The Ultimate Warrior on Mar 11, 2005 1:18:32 GMT -5
Ruski voin is right, the bulgarian slavs should be allowed to claim the turkic proto bulgar khans, the first bulgar kingdom and even the name for them selves. Also the bulgarian slavs have no turkic blood in them since the proto bulgars were so small in numbers.
I dont want to open another can of worms, but isnt it funny that the bulgarians today use the same mentality as makedonskisloven as to deny macedonains of their history and past...
I myself am a Macedonian, and I love every minute of it, life is great because I am a Macedonian!
Post by White Cossack on Mar 12, 2005 14:21:02 GMT -5
"Why Thanks, White cossack ,I may be stupid that's true."
Yes, you certainly are, and since even you acknowledge so, do not expect anyone to take you and your posts seriously.
"However i dont believe your use of the English language is that mush better than mine, maybe you are a better typist, that i wll concede . How someone who can write a sentance like this should stop judging other peoples use of the English language.
Either this guy mixed things up with his lacking English, or he is plain stupid."
I am not sure myself if I am a English expert, but I am certainly "mush" better than you are. And about the phrase, it is 100% correct.
"There are quite a few other examples of clumsy syntax I could refer you to but I cannot be bothered stooping to your level of pettines."
It would be quite ironic if YOU tried to point out other people's mistakes, when it comes to the English language. You would do better trying to not sound so ridiculous.
"Also I thought i had stummbled on a site run by Eastern Europeans i didnt realise it was full of gringos, with their peculiar brand of anti political correctness , political corectness."
Try to make more sense, if you want to be answered. Also, if you spew anti-Bulgarian propaganda here, you will be short lived here.
Post by makedonskisloven on Mar 12, 2005 20:48:40 GMT -5
Good luck boys. you are all a clever bunch of fellows especially White Cossack.This site is destined for greatness.So you still are going on about my use of the English langauge, lord Shakespeare, me thinks you protest to much.
Now regarding the Bulgarians you just dont get it do you.No Macedonian has ever denied the modern Bulgarians their use of the word Bulgar, or tried to incorporate them into our state.It is they who are still denying human rights to people within Bulgaria who identify as Macedonian. I was trying to point out some historical amnesa on behalf our bulagrian brothers regarding the origin of the word Bulgar.
As for wether i will be on this site a long time , do you think your petty threats mean anything.What goes on here has very little significance in the grand scheme of things.
Past scholarship regarding wether the ancient Macedonians have anything in common with us moderns Macedonians has been totally politically driven.If you boys had a curious mind you may find that there is now a reaxamination of that whole area in light of the translation of Vendic inscriptions as a form of old slavic.So wake up boys get into the 21st century i think most of you are still somewhere in the 19th.
And let me tell you what I mean by some American slavs being more American than slavic.They have all the prejudices and ignornace of the narrow minded U.S world view regarding race and politics.
Either this guy mixed things up with his lacking English, or he is plain stupid. Correct English buddy would be Either this guy has mixed things up with his lack of English or he is plain stupid. The fact you dont see anything wrong with what you wrote is an indicement of your own shortcomings,not my critique.Maybe you should check with your ENGLISH Teacher, if you do not trust my knowledge.
Dudakovic. my old chum, you are back! Its good hearing from you again. Now, onthe lighter side of things...
"Samuil is correct. There is no need to boast of your self, just keep quiet and do what you have to do"
- Keep quiet? Why should we. We certainly have nothing to hide. The west has demonized us already and it is time we come out of the shadows and let our importance to humanity be known! Boasting? Its the telling of history and fact!
"IT IS ONLY FOR OUR SAKE THAT WE SHOULD KNOW WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE ACHIEVED IN THE PAST, BECAUSE IT GIVES US INSPERATION TO LIVE UP TO OR EVEN SURPASS OUR PAST GLORIES"
- I know who we are (slavically), but does the redneck in the streets? As far as these bumpkins are concerned, Slavic Serbs for example, are genocidal ethnic cleansers who deserved to be bombed mercilessly by that war criminal Clinton. Why should we remain silent about slanderous propaganda like this? To be vocal and protective of Slavic peoples is for our own benefit.
Post by White Cossack on Mar 17, 2005 8:49:15 GMT -5
"Good luck boys. you are all a clever bunch of fellows especially White Cossack.This site is destined for greatness.So you still are going on about my use of the English langauge, lord Shakespeare, me thinks you protest to much."
No. I only ask as much as you make yourself being understood. That is not much, is it?
"As for wether i will be on this site a long time , do you think your petty threats mean anything.What goes on here has very little significance in the grand scheme of things."
You are free to leave at will.
"And let me tell you what I mean by some American slavs being more American than slavic.They have all the prejudices and ignornace of the narrow minded U.S world view regarding race and politics."
You mean like you are toward the Bulgarians?
"with his lacking English"
"Lacking" perfectly fits the phrase. Not my fault you are so attached to prepositions, and just do not know better.
If americans dont have a need of knowing us, why should we care? I know that I am part slavic, I know that many of my friends are, and that is the only thing that matters. As long as we know who we are, we do not need anybody to know who we are, because I dont want to be mainstream, I want to be special. ;D
"The only thing that can help us is power. And that comes through unity and knowledge ability/capability)"
The last time I checked, we (the Slavic peoples) were neither unified nor powerful. If we sit idly by, we will become more divided and weaker. Perhaps if Slavic unity became more public, it may inspire others to join our cause to grow.
The blacks get 1 month out of the year and we get 11. Slavic history month however should be 2 months, Dec. and Jan. since we Slavs are about 1/2 Catholic and 1/2 Orthodox. That way both Christmases fall in this period. It should be called SLAVA SLAVIJA. All we need is some lamb on the spit, pogaca, and alot of pivo. Slava Slavija......Pavle
February is black history month in the US. They need a whole month for that? How about Slavic History Month? We as a Slavic people in America are just about absent from the History books and it is time we are honored with such a distinction. The contributions of Slavs in America is enormous but this fact is being suppressed by the Anglos who have always been anti-Slavic.
We are systemically racistly omitted from the American public school books , college course books , public sector, caucus', and census. Also major cultural events such as the 300 year aniversery of new Orleans as just one example . We were discriminated against in every factory foundry steel mill and mine . We were given secondary housing in all the mining towns in the iRon ridge . The Anglos, mostly brittish from the English isles , received the best housing and the slavs the lessor quality housing . The list goes on .
Eugenics at the begunning of the 1900s labeled us an inferior race . They were the "sociologists" in the collages . Per this consideration racist law was passed again St us in the U S congress which was dominated by the English / Nordic which severely limited our imigration in the 20s. Afterward all they taught was,tito the great unified of the southern slavs , so we wound up being called communists through out the last several decades . If your Slovenian they call you a vampire. Beautiful Slavic accents are labeled the "rocky and bill Winkle " accent . Dirty serbs , bohunks , gypsies(no offense on my part ) and D Ps (from displaced person paperwork .
We has to duck our heads low in forced assimalation and cultural genocide . Speak english only was heard in every factory foundry steel mill and mine . We are historically the lowest paid of all workers . In England we still have a separate code in law enforcement for "eastern European migrant workers " verses "English " or "white " That discrimination did carry over into the United states . It does effect us generationally. We were forcefully assimilated and culturally genovided. Now many of our children have generational amnesia and have been re-labeled "white people " which is getting us discriminated by other ethnicities and even shot and kiEd in some cases like the c tall Slovenian salvation army worker mis-identified by the press as a "white people" cleavland a racist shot him in the back of the head for racist reasons . It's time the press and our government is corrected . Because what they are teaching in the schools is racial division and lies . Like the one they tell on all the plantation tours why the beds are so small because people are getting taller . The people who owNed slaves and plantations in America are a different race from us . It's time we calmed them our for their lies. Like "living condiruins in the harems were better " (written by an Anglo of course ). And a new book is out how we(slavs)were taught to be racist!! There ary are no Slavic names on plantation owners deeds. Croatian ships refused to haul slaves to the new world in a stand against slavery, it's time they teach that to the children instead of the division and lies they are teaching . It's time they teach about the people whom the very term SLAVE comes from because they do not .
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