kapetan
Mladshiy Serdzhant
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Post by kapetan on Sept 30, 2008 9:05:36 GMT -5
I have read this forum for a long time. I'm really curious about this issue. What are you thinking about Muslim Slavic Nations? (Bosniak's, Pomak's and Torbesh's)
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Post by pastir on Sept 30, 2008 9:23:21 GMT -5
Pomaks and the Torbesh aren`t nations.
You can be a Muslim in a nominal sense. In the sense that most people are Christian nowdays. Like a sort of a tradition and social thing. That is fine. Not crazy about it... but you can only be tolerant of things you`re not crazy about...
Down to the letter Islam is not compatible with nationalism though. Any nationalism. (Including "Bosniak" Nationalism.) That is not really fine, because it`s very much like cosmopolitanism, civic nationalism, communism, globalism and all that.
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Post by pastir on Sept 30, 2008 9:25:47 GMT -5
Down to the letter Islam is not compatible with nationalism though. Any nationalism. (Including "Bosniak" Nationalism.) That is not really fine, because it`s very much like cosmopolitanism, civic nationalism, communism, globalism and all that. I mean to say Islam preaches a Nation of Islam. Which is a "credal nation". And I only recognise "organic nations". |
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kapetan
Mladshiy Serdzhant
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Post by kapetan on Sept 30, 2008 9:54:02 GMT -5
Thanks for reply. You said that pomaks and torbesh's arent nation. yes you are right. because thy are muslim macedonians and bulgarians. but Bosniaks are a nation. As you said. I and some of my friends are working about this issue. All religions wants to gather whole religious community and construct a religious country. Islam, Christianity, Judaism... these all same. But we overrate our blood. We don't think that religion can provide this connection. Because of this reasons we are nationalists. Slavic nationalists...
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Post by pastir on Sept 30, 2008 10:33:03 GMT -5
All religions wants to gather whole religious community and construct a religious country. Islam, Christianity, Judaism... these all same. Christianity is universalist in the theological notions like we are all made in God`s image and so on, but there is a difference in that Christianity is apolitical (or should be). It really does not prescribe any form of state, global or local or anything of the like. Islam on the other hand is very political, Mohammed personally was for all practical purposes a head of a state. And technically for Islam the only legitimate state is the Caliphate as successor to Mohammed`s state. |
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kapetan
Mladshiy Serdzhant
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Post by kapetan on Sept 30, 2008 11:06:12 GMT -5
Our countries are secular. It means our political and religious works are separated. I mean that we are Slav, later than Muslim...
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Post by pastir on Sept 30, 2008 12:17:18 GMT -5
So we got that out of the way.
Do you acknowledge the right of Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs for self-determination? Do you recognise the right of Croatian and Serbian nations for national unification?
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kapetan
Mladshiy Serdzhant
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Post by kapetan on Oct 1, 2008 17:51:07 GMT -5
Sure I recognise them. Actually we are all "ONE" nation. We are YUGOSLAVs. There is just religious difference. Croats and Slovenes are Catolics, Serbians and Crna Gorac are orthodox and Bosniaks are Muslim. This is sociologic difference. We are just one nation.
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Post by Яромip on Oct 9, 2008 11:53:17 GMT -5
That isn't entirely true. While the suggestion is much weaker than in Islam, it is there. Legitimate form of government in the view of Orthodox Church is Monarchy. Going back to Byzantium times, the Emperor was indeed, the head of Orthodox church (at least nominally)
Catholic Church was VERY political until very recently.
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Islam, however, very clearly and specifically prescribes the form of government, laws, customs and accepted kind of Faith Nationalism.
Personally I find explicit supremacist views in Islam very distasteful. It can be argued that Catholic Church is no better (Leo X's boys, Prima Noctae rights...etc) these things were done AGAINST the letter and spirit of written scripture.
On the other hand, every time a muslim rapes a kafira he is practicing his religion in its purest form (like Mohammed did)
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Post by pastir on Oct 9, 2008 12:22:37 GMT -5
That isn't entirely true. While the suggestion is much weaker than in Islam, it is there. Legitimate form of government in the view of Orthodox Church is Monarchy. Going back to Byzantium times, the Emperor was indeed, the head of Orthodox church (at least nominally) Catholic Church was VERY political until very recently. Yeah, but not everything that the Church does is neccesarily really backed by the teachings. As told by the Bible Jesus was constantly avoiding getting drawn into secular politics. (The Roman vs Jewish tension.) |
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Post by Orao on Oct 9, 2008 12:40:41 GMT -5
Sure I recognise them. Actually we are all "ONE" nation. We are YUGOSLAVs. There is just religious difference. Croats and Slovenes are Catolics, Serbians and Crna Gorac are orthodox and Bosniaks are Muslim. This is sociologic difference. We are just one nation. One nation? There are some big traitors in that one nation then. |
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Vladimir
Mayor
Gospod carstvuje!
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Post by Vladimir on Oct 10, 2008 11:06:21 GMT -5
kapetanNo such thing as Yugoslavs! I'm a Serb, I always was and I always be! Go sell your communist bullshit to your Croat and Muslim compatriots...
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El'Sukov
Starshiy Serdzhant
The Unity is Force
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Post by El'Sukov on Dec 21, 2008 2:20:48 GMT -5
Slavic muslims saved their slavic consciousness and they have right to call themselves ''Slavs''
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Post by Serbian Prince on Dec 26, 2008 18:25:14 GMT -5
Slavic muslims saved their slavic consciousness and they have right to call themselves ''Slavs'' Well, it's not like they would call themselves Turks. |
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czaristslav
Mladshiy Serdzhant
Мой бог, царь!
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Post by czaristslav on Dec 28, 2008 12:54:43 GMT -5
Bosniaks entered the Handschar S.S division during world war2,it was created by the mufti of Jerusalem al-Husseini,Yasser arafat's uncle!
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