Vladimir
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Post by Vladimir on May 30, 2008 4:09:25 GMT -5
Well I think totally opposite, Russia should press Ukraine even more. It's government is openly anti-Russian but yet they want to benefit from Russian natural resources. No wonder Russia is building a new pipeline that won't go over Ukrainian, Belorussian and Polish territories...
If Ukraine joins NATO, their troops will be almost in Moscow. That must not be allowed.
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Post by gleb on May 30, 2008 7:50:24 GMT -5
2 Medo: If Russia will calm down it will take few years for oranges to "ukrainize" all russian-speaking Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. What about praising nazi collabourators on the government level? What about all these attempts to annihilate Russian language?
For Russia Crimea means more than it means for Ukraine. All these anti-Russian and pro-NATO games will not stop if Russia will release the pressure.
I don't want a conflict between Russia and Ukraine. But the oranges are providing an ant-Russian (not pro-Ukrainian but anti-Russian) policy which bothers Russian interests (security for example). Imagine montenegrians which would do all their best to make life of Serbia worse. There were no such situation before the "orange revolution".
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Post by CHORNYVOLK on May 30, 2008 9:18:05 GMT -5
Kyrgyzstan interested in Russia's naval presence-chief of staff
15:17 | 30/ 05/ 2008
MOSCOW/BISHKEK, May 30 (RIA Novosti) - Kyrgyzstan is interested in the continued presence of Russian naval forces on its territory, the country's top military official said on Friday.
Maj. Gen. Boris Yugai, chief of the General Staff of the Kyrgyz Armed Forces, met with Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky, commander of the Russian Navy, who is currently on a visit to Kyrgyzstan to discuss the expansion of military-technical cooperation and strengthening of regional security with Kyrgyz top military officials.
"No one would benefit from a scaling down of military-technical cooperation between Russian and Kyrgyz defense agencies," Gen. Yugai said, adding that his country is interested in the "further development of Russia and its Armed Forces."
Adm. Vysotsky said the Russian Navy has $4 million worth of contracts with Kyrgyz enterprises for the production of torpedoes, equipment, and components, but not ammunition.
He visited Thursday a naval research facility Russia rents on a lake in Kyrgyzstan.
The testing site near the city of Karakol, 380 km (240 miles) from the capital Bishkek, was set up during the Soviet era and is still used to test advanced torpedo propulsion and guidance systems for the Russian Navy.
It has reportedly provided both a test bed and production facilities for one of Russia's most advanced naval weapon systems, the super-cavitating 220 mph Squall or Shkval rocket-propelled torpedo, with a range of six nautical miles, designed to destroy large surface ships such as aircraft carriers.
Russia currently pays $4.5 million annually to use these military installations.
On March 18, the Kyrgyz parliamentary committee for security approved a resolution on the ratification of protocols between Kyrgyzstan and Russia on the use of Russian military facilities in the country and the status of Russian service personnel in the Republic of Kyrgyzstan.
The agreement, concluded by Kyrgyzstan and Russia in 1997, allows the Russian military to use Kyrgyz territory for the next 15 years.
Russia currently has 41 intergovernmental agreements with Kyrgyzstan on security cooperation. Both countries are members of the two major regional security blocs in Central Asia - the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).
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Post by CHORNYVOLK on May 30, 2008 11:19:41 GMT -5
Navy chief says Russia could have 100 warships in Ukraine 13:39 | 30/ 05/ 2008 BISHKEK, May 30 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Navy commander said on Friday the Black Sea Fleet could increase the number of warships at its base in Sevastopol, in Ukraine's Crimea, to 100. "The base agreement enables us to have up to 100 warships in the Black Sea Fleet, compared to the current figure of only 35; we may also have up to 25,000 personnel, while currently we only have 11,000," Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky told reporters in Bishkek, the capital of Kyrgyzstan. He said Russia needs the Black Sea Fleet to protect its national interests. "Russia has strategic interests in the world's oceans, and it will defend them. We will be enlarging our presence." "The Black Sea Fleet will remain in any event. And it will not simply remain, but will develop," he said, adding that Russia does not intend to withdraw its fleet from Sevastopol before the base agreement expires in 2017. The Black Sea Fleet currently uses a range of naval facilities on the Crimean peninsula under an agreement signed in 1997. Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko recently ruled not to extend the lease for Russia's Black Sea Fleet beyond May 28, 2017. Frequent disputes have flared up between Russia and Ukraine over the lease of the naval facilities on the Crimean peninsula. In the latest row, Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov was barred from entering the former Soviet republic over his vociferous calls for the disputed ownership of a Russian naval base in Sevastopol to be transferred back to Russia. Ukraine has been seeking NATO membership and EU integration ever since pro-Western President Yushchenko came to power on the back of the "orange revolution" in 2004. Russia has repeatedly dismissed Ukraine's NATO bid as a violation of bilateral friendship agreements and said it will do all in its power to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. Admiral Vysotsky arrived in Kyrgyzstan on Thursday to discuss the expansion of military-technical cooperation and strengthening of regional security with Kyrgyz top military officials. Russia currently has 41 intergovernmental agreements with Kyrgyzstan on security cooperation. Both countries are members of the two major regional security blocs in Central Asia - the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). en.rian.ru/russia/20080530/108875562.html |
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Post by pastir on May 30, 2008 13:39:40 GMT -5
I don't want a conflict between Russia and Ukraine. But the oranges are providing an ant-Russian (not pro-Ukrainian but anti-Russian) policy which bothers Russian interests (security for example). Imagine montenegrians which would do all their best to make life of Serbia worse. There is no need for it. Serbia has oranges of her own. |
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Post by donetskn on May 30, 2008 16:59:59 GMT -5
For me as ukrainian nationalist russian pressure is prefereable.
Let me explain why.
I don't bother about the Crimea as soon as crimean tatars are our allies.
At the same time I am afraid lots' of ukrainians still have good attitude towards Russia.
Medo was right, the only way for Russia to get back Ukraine is to be clever. Any aggression exposed by Russia strike them back. Fortunately Russians beleives that they rules the world and feel themselves powerful enough. Thats a chance for Ukraine.
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Post by CHORNYVOLK on Jun 1, 2008 13:43:09 GMT -5
Russia rattles sabres over naval base Bitter battle begins over control of Sevastopol. From John Follett in Moscow RUSSIA HAS revived a bitter historical dispute with Ukraine over ownership of the Crimean peninsula in an apparent attempt to guarantee the continued presence of its Black Sea fleet there. Moscow has maintained a fleet there for more than two centuries - in the Tsarist, communist and post-Soviet eras. But, with less than a decade to run on its lease on the base, Russia is worried that its days in Sevastopol are numbered. Now it has launched what looks like a campaign to reabsorb Sevastopol into its own borders, sparking a full-blown diplomatic dispute that appears to be a flashpoint in a new cold war between Moscow and the West. Moscow's powerful mayor, Yuri Luzhkov, said earlier this month that Sevastopol, currently part of Ukraine, should become part of Russia. He said Russia would try to get the port city back through the international courts. A furious Ukraine retaliated by banning him from crossing its borders and by starting work on a draft law that would shut Russia out of Sevastopol when its lease on the base expires in 2017. It said its national security and territorial integrity was threatened. Moscow saw red. Senior politicians lined up to support Luzhkov and Moscow started declaring Ukrainian politicians persona non grata. For Russia, it is a question of reversing what it considers to be a grave historical injustice. Russian empress Catherine the Great purloined Sevastopol for Russia in the 18th century. But, in 1954, then Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev transferred ownership of the Crimea from the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, apparently on a whim. Russian nationalists say he did so after a drinking binge. But when the USSR disintegrated, Russia woke up to discover one of its most important naval bases and a region it considered its own was in a foreign country. With Ukraine's pro-Western leadership pushing to join Nato, Russia's bitterness has turned to open hostility. Former president Vladimir Putin has spoken in fearful tones of Nato having a base in Crimea and many residents of the famous port city agree. "Imagine a Nato base in Sevastopol," Putin said earlier this year after a meeting with Ukrainian president Viktor Yushchenko. And earlier this month, Russia celebrated the 225th anniversary of the Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol using the occasion as a springboard for what looks like a "Return Sevastopol" campaign. To Ukrainian annoyance, more than 30 Russian warships drilled in the harbour as Russia's defence minister looked on. The Russians cancelled a planned landing on the peninsula of marines and combat vehicles after the Ukrainians objected. But they went ahead with a celebratory concert on one of the town's main squares, complete with, before he was banned, Moscow's mayor. "We won't give up our Sevastopol," the crowd chanted as they listened to Luzhkov's speech. Pro-Moscow activists have been busy collecting signatures for Russia's base to be kept in Sevastopol permanently. For Ukraine, a country still struggling to defuse bitter differences between the Russian-speaking east of the country and the Ukrainian-speaking west of the country, losing Sevastopol or Crimea is unthinkable. It is, therefore, mounting its own campaign of "Ukrainisation". Ukrainian nationalists have tried to storm Black Sea fleet facilities, Ukrainian flags have multiplied, and the authorities have tried to make life more and more difficult for the Russian military. Ukraine's latest gambit is a $20 million film about the Crimean War that will seek to topple the idea that Russians played a key role in defending Sevastopol from the British, French and Turks during the nineteenth-century conflict. It will instead have Ukrainian soldiers and sailors centrestage. Russia says it has started building what could be an alternative base at the Black Sea port of Novorossisk but it's unclear how serious it is about that idea. Analysts say surrendering Sevastopol would be sacrilege for Kremlin hardliners www.sundayherald.com/international/shinternational/display.var.2295706.0.russia_rattles_sabres_over_naval_base.php |
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Post by balkannj on Jul 16, 2008 0:03:04 GMT -5
Russian warships to return to Arctic waters www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-07-14-russian-warships_N.htmMOSCOW (AP) — Russia announced Monday that it is sending warships to patrol Arctic waters for the first time since the breakup of the Soviet Union — the latest move to increase the country's global military presence. Patrols by the Northern Fleet's Severomorsk submarine destroyer and Marshal Ustinov missile cruiser will begin Thursday, Navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said. Russia began sending aircraft carriers to the Mediterranean Sea in December and resumed long-range bomber patrols in August. "We have been talking for a long time about widening our activity in the Arctic," Dygalo said. "There is nothing aggressive in it — it is in the interests of security." ... |
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Post by Dominik on Aug 10, 2008 9:13:31 GMT -5
Ukraine says it reserves right to bar Russian ships from entering to their Crimean base
By Associated Press
5:26 AM CDT, August 10, 2008
KIEV, Ukraine (AP) _ Ukraine warned Russia on Sunday it could bar Russian navy ships from returning to their base in the Crimea because of their deployment to Georgia's coast.
Ukraine's Foreign Ministry said the deployment of a Russian naval squadron to Georgia's Black sea coast has the potential of drawing Ukraine into the conflict.
"In order to prevent the circumstances in which Ukraine could be drawn into a military conflict ... Ukraine reserves the right to bar ships which may take part in these actions from returning to the Ukrainian territory until the conflict is solved," said the statement which was posted on the ministry's Web site.
Both Ukraine and Georgia have sought to free themselves of Russia's influence, integrate into the West and join NATO.
The statement reflected a strong Ukrainian support for Georgia and is certain to anger Moscow, further straining Russian-Ukrainian relations.
Russia's deputy chief of General Staff Col.-Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn said Sunday he was aware of the statement, but added that the Russian government must analyze it before making comment.
"It makes a third party involved, and it's quite unexpected," Nogovitsyn said said at a news conference.
A 1997 agreement between Russia and Ukraine lets the Black Sea Fleet remain in Sevastopol through 2017, but Ukrainian officials have said they want it out after that. The issue adds to emotions over Crimea, which was part of the Russian Federation but ceded to Ukraine during the Soviet era and became part of the independent Ukraine when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.
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Post by balkannj on Aug 10, 2008 12:35:15 GMT -5
Russia should ignore this and blast their way in if anyone gets in their way.
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gleb
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Post by gleb on Aug 10, 2008 13:33:41 GMT -5
Ukraine is very unlucky with their rulers. Comlete retards during last 91 years.
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Post by White Cossack on Aug 10, 2008 16:19:06 GMT -5
They can only bark. Sooner or later, Ukraine shall be divided in two, that seems to be the only way.
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Post by Orao on Aug 11, 2008 14:19:39 GMT -5
They can only bark. Sooner or later, Ukraine shall be divided in two, that seems to be the only way. Explain how that will result in any progress? Dividing a pretty sizable country (one of the larger slavic ones) is not good in my eyes.... |
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Post by Яромip on Aug 11, 2008 14:25:29 GMT -5
It's 2nd largest and 2nd most populous. However, people on either side of Dniepr can't stand each other. You should hear my grandfather on W. Ukrainians, and I thought I was a hard-liner. ;D Sadly, Ukrainian Nationalists base their entire ideology on "hate Russia" and "do everything to spite Russia". Leader of ultra-Nationalist faction Братство pledged readiness to fight with the georgians against "russian agressors".  This is on top of documents showing that Ukrainian Government has been arming Georgia for this upcoming conflict!!  |
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Post by White Cossack on Aug 11, 2008 14:26:19 GMT -5
It's not a matter of good or bad. It just seem the natural and inevitable outcome.
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