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[SerdarVukota]

The evil Empire will destroy itself from the inside

[CHORNYVOLK]

Russia: could use nuclear weapons

Chief of Staff: Russia Could Use Nuclear Weapons in Preventive Attacks in Case of Major Threat

STEVE GUTTERMAN
AP News

Jan 19, 2008 11:59 EST

Russia's military chief of staff said Saturday that Moscow could use nuclear weapons in preventive strikes to protect itself and its allies, the latest aggressive remarks from increasingly assertive Russian authorities.



Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky's comment did not mark a policy shift, military analysts said. Amid disputes with the West over security issues, it may have been meant as a warning that Russia is prepared to use its nuclear might.

"We do not intend to attack anyone, but we consider it necessary for all our partners in the world community to clearly understand ... that to defend the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Russia and its allies, military forces will be used, including preventively, including with the use of nuclear weapons," Baluyevsky said at a military conference in a remark broadcast on state-run cable channel Vesti-24.

According to the state-run news agency RIA-Novosti, Baluyevsky added that Russia would use nuclear weapons and carry out preventive strikes only in accordance with Russia's military doctrine.

The military doctrine adopted in 2000 says Russia may use nuclear weapons to counter a nuclear attack on Russia or an ally, or a large-scale conventional attack that poses a critical risk to Russia's security.

Retired Gen. Vladimir Dvorkin, formerly a top arms control expert with the Russian Defense Ministry, said he saw "nothing new" in Baluyevsky's statement. "He was restating the doctrine in his own words," Dvorkin said.

Moscow-based military analyst Alexander Golts said that when Russia broke with stated Soviet-era policy in the 2000 doctrine and declared it could use nuclear weapons first against an aggressor, it reflected the decline of Russia's conventional forces in the decade following the 1991 Soviet collapse.

"Baluyevsky's statement means that, as before, we cannot count on our conventional forces to counter aggression," Golts told Ekho Moskvy radio. "It means that as before, the main factor in containing aggression against Russia is nuclear weapons."

Putin and other Russian officials have stressed the need to maintain a powerful nuclear deterrent and reserved the right to carry out preventive strikes. But in most of their public remarks on preventive strikes, Russian officials have not specifically mentioned nuclear weapons.

Baluyevsky spoke amid persistent disputes between Moscow and the West over issues including U.S. plans for missile defense facilities in former Soviet satellites, NATO members' refusal to ratify an updated European conventional arms treaty, and Kosovo's bid for independence from Serbia.

Like Golts, Moscow-based military analyst Pavel Felgenhauer said Russia plays up its nuclear deterrent because of its weakness in terms of conventional arms. "We threaten the West that in any kind of serious conflict, we'll go nuclear almost immediately," he said.

But in the absence of a real threat from the West, he said, "It's just talk

[CHORNYVOLK]

globalpolitician.com/article...p?ID=4045&cid=4

[CHORNYVOLK]

CNN and other Western media likes to portray the Russian people as fools who blindly support Putin and his semi-dictatorial tendencies. But they are not fools. They know that today they are wealthier than ever before in Russian history, and Putin has been their leader responsible for the economic rise. Surely the rise in oil prices helped, but rather than stealing the newly-found wealth (like, for example, Nigerian leaders do) or squandering it on useless government programs that support degenerate behavior (as is done in the West), Putin used it to lower taxes and pay off the debt. Paying back the country’s debt is not particularly popular because citizens do not see any immediate benefit, and it would’ve been far more fashionable for Putin to engage in American-style populism where politicians spike their personal poll numbers by engaging in fiscal child abuse by borrowing and then wasting money that will have to be paid by later generations.

But more than economics, what truly makes Russians support Putin is a restored sense of pride, a sense that their country matters once again for the first time in a generation.

Putin’s next test is in Kosovo. He must show his people and the international community that Moscow is willing and able to help its allies.

Serbs are a people who are very similar to Russians (both are Orthodox Christians, both are Slavic, and their languages are similar enough to be understood). Moscow is entitled to defend it the same way Washington would defend Great Britain.

In declaring itself willing to defend its allies, with nuclear weapons if needed, Moscow did not intend to tell the world that it wants a new Cold War. Russia’s defense of Serbia is no difference an American defense of its allies in Western Europe, South Korea, Taiwan, Israel, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and many other countries. Over the decades, Washington issued similar statements in defense of all these nations.

Ten years ago, Bill Clinton unnecessarily provoked the Russian people by going back on his agreement with Moscow in order to help KLA Islamic terrorists. George W. Bush must not make the same mistake by helping Kosovo’s KLA-led government. And liberal Jewish organizations must remember that should they support KLA terrorists in Kosovo, Russia and its allies would be fully justified in aiding Hamas in Gaza as payback. Russia will defend the territorial integrity of Serbia and the West has no reason to support the KLA.

[medo]

chornyvolk said:

CNN and other Western media likes to portray the Russian people as fools who blindly support Putin and his semi-dictatorial tendencies. But they are not fools. They know that today they are wealthier than ever before in Russian history, and Putin has been their leader responsible for the economic rise. Surely the rise in oil prices helped, but rather than stealing the newly-found wealth (like, for example, Nigerian leaders do) or squandering it on useless government programs that support degenerate behavior (as is done in the West), Putin used it to lower taxes and pay off the debt. Paying back the country’s debt is not particularly popular because citizens do not see any immediate benefit, and it would’ve been far more fashionable for Putin to engage in American-style populism where politicians spike their personal poll numbers by engaging in fiscal child abuse by borrowing and then wasting money that will have to be paid by later generations.

But more than economics, what truly makes Russians support Putin is a restored sense of pride, a sense that their country matters once again for the first time in a generation.

Putin’s next test is in Kosovo. He must show his people and the international community that Moscow is willing and able to help its allies.

Serbs are a people who are very similar to Russians (both are Orthodox Christians, both are Slavic, and their languages are similar enough to be understood). Moscow is entitled to defend it the same way Washington would defend Great Britain.

In declaring itself willing to defend its allies, with nuclear weapons if needed, Moscow did not intend to tell the world that it wants a new Cold War. Russia’s defense of Serbia is no difference an American defense of its allies in Western Europe, South Korea, Taiwan, Israel, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and many other countries. Over the decades, Washington issued similar statements in defense of all these nations.

Ten years ago, Bill Clinton unnecessarily provoked the Russian people by going back on his agreement with Moscow in order to help KLA Islamic terrorists. George W. Bush must not make the same mistake by helping Kosovo’s KLA-led government. And liberal Jewish organizations must remember that should they support KLA terrorists in Kosovo, Russia and its allies would be fully justified in aiding Hamas in Gaza as payback. Russia will defend the territorial integrity of Serbia and the West has no reason to support the KLA.

This article does not smell good!

Although this article does not have a reference I made a test for myself. I told myself: "Here is an excerpt without a link to a web page which contains the whole text and the author's name. Considering just this small excerpt one could think that this text is somehow pro-Russian pro-Serbian."

But my instincts said the opposite! By reading the very few sentences of this crap excerpt I told myself: "This excerpt must be a part of an article that is written by a western analyst who thinks that Russians are retarded nation that would be caught in a trap by a cheap piece of crap analysis".

So I copied the first sentence of the excerpt into Google search and found the article:

globalpolitician.com/24045-russia


Indeed, I was right!

It is simply very, very astonishing how the western analysts consider the Russian politicians retarded. They think that Russia is a retarded country, and that G. W. Bush is an example of a brilliant mind.

They think that by writing crap "analyses" in which they apparently glorify Putin's policy, and all that packed with very wrong and misleading advices, they would suborn Russia into wrong decisions!

In typical articles of this kind these "analysts" write:


"Putin is a good man... "
"Putin is a rightoeous man...."
"Putin is a man of right decisions..."
"He will not let Russia shamed over Kosovo.... He will react..."

and then come "advices":

"He will cut the gas to Western Europe", or
"He will recognize breakaway provinces of Georgia and Azerbaijan" or


All these crap advices ill-wish "advices" usually come with crap statements like:

"just as in Afghanistan, in Iran too Moscow’s interests are in line those of Washington.", or
"Russia, on the other hand, has natural conflicts built-in with Iran", or
"The Serbs left the province and NATO moved in... To the Russians, it was the ultimate slap in the face.", or
"US and EU sided with Muslims" etc...

One could at least understand (if not agree with) this approach if we were facing the world in which the West were going well and Russia were going down. And G. W. Bush, supported twice by majority of the Yanks, was a synonym for intelligence.


But in fact it is the opposite! Russia's economy is increasing by 7% annually, and at the same time Russia's monetary reserves are the third largest tin the world. Russia's influence in the whole world is increasing and Russia is respected today in great majority of different countries with different cultures, religions.

On the other side, it is the West whose power is fading day-by-day and even the blind see this! Yanks have debt of 9000 billion $ and it looks like that they think the only way for them to repay this debt is to start WW3.

But the whole world see them! The whole world now well understand their actions!


So this "analyst" can stick his advices in his ass!
Russia shall not betray Iran nor Muslim countries! Neither it shall betray Serbia!

Russia cannot, should not (and does not have to) wage war for Serbia but it shall support it economically and politically, and IF and ONLY IF Serbs ask for arms Russia shall support them by sending them arms.

[medo]

I have one question for the "analyst":

If he says that USA entry into Kosovo was "the ultimate slap in the face." for Russia (and eventhough USA didn't fight on the ground and eventhough that cowardly entry came only AFTER the Serbs demanded and got UN resolution 1244 which confirms their sovereignty over the province) then does he also think that American powerlessness in case of US allies Georgia, Azerbaijan and Moldova is also "ultimate slap in the face", this time American face?

Where were the American cowards in case of Transdniestr, South Ossetia, Abkhazia? They got "ultimate slap in the face"! They cannot support their allies in Georgia or Moldova! They can only bark!



Or what about Iraq?

According to the same logic does the "analyst" also think that American invasion of Iraq was "ultimate slap in the face" for Russia just because Russia again opposed the aggression?

Back then in 2003 also many "analysts" like Mr. David Storobin also wrote similar crap texts "Look into Russia... It cannot do anything... " bla bla bla


But look at the Yanks now! Look into Iraq now! USA is a 300 million country and was and still is even aided by its allies (UK, Denmark, cock-sucking Poland, Australia, Italy, Spain etc...) and they still lose the war! They lose the war against small freedom fighter groops in Iraq and Afghanistan which are much smaller and poorer countries than USA.

So mr. Storobin for whom are these ultimate failures in Iraq and Afghanistan "ultimate slap in the face"? For Russia or decaying USA?


I just pray to God that there are much more such "analysts" and presidents in USA. The more people like them the sooner USA shall ultimately collapse! G.W. Bush did much in this direction. I hope his policy shall continue.

[medo]

Final conclusion:

Russia shall not betray Muslims in the Middle East, it shall not betray Iran, neither it shall betray the Serbs!

Russia shall not go into war, especially not for the Serbs who have pro-western forces very strong in the country, but shall indirectly support its allies.

Russia shall not cut off gas from them Western Europe but shall do even the opposite -> it shall stick new and new gas pipes into their asses, making them even more and more dependent on Russia.

Russia shall continue to raise and its influence shall become stronger and stronger.

China will get Africa and its resources, not by use of force but instead by the only righteous way -> by use of its strong economy.

And the West shall finally collapse, and become just one small part of the new multipolar world.

All this for mostly 10-20 years.

[medo]

Poland, U.S. agree in principle on missile defense base - FM

WASHINGTON, February 1 (RIA Novosti) - Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said Friday Warsaw and Washington have agreed in principle on the deployment of a U.S. missile defense base on Polish territory.

Sikorski is demanding security guarantees from the United States as part of a deal to install 10 interceptors in Poland at talks in the U.S. this week.

The U.S. plans to deploy elements of its missile defense shield in Poland and the Czech Republic citing a threat from Iran. Russia has fiercely opposed the plans threatening to retarget nuclear missiles at the two countries.

Sikorsky said he is satisfied that the principles on which Poland have insisted on have been accepted, but the negotiations will continue. He added the two countries' experts have a lot more to do.

The minister said Poland is seeking to strengthen its missile defenses and thereby expand its capabilities as a U.S. ally in Europe.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said after the talks the Bush administration backs Warsaw's request for aid in modernizing its missile defenses.

In Washington, Sikorski is still to meet with Vice President Dick Cheney, and the president's national security adviser Stephen Hadley.

Poland's new government, which came to power in November, has taken a more cautious approach to the U.S. proposal than former Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski's cabinet, which supported the plan.


en.rian.ru/world/20080201/98206488.html

[medo]

So much about the new "Russian-friendly" government in Poland.

The most pitiful thing here is the fact that poor Poland forgets that it was not US who gave it freedom but USSR and Russia! It was not NATO who drove out Russian tanks from Poland but it was a Russian who decided that Russia and USSR should give freedom to all the Eastern Europeans, including poor and pitiful Poland.

Westerners (including all Polish governments) behave like pussies! When Poles had to fight they decided to be still and frightened chickens. And when finally Russia decided to give them freedom they started to bark.

When Russia/USSR was in Afghanistan Poles did not have to join them. And they still complained they that weren't free. Although they were a sovereign country and member of UN they claimed that Germans in WW2 were better!?! Now they have to follow their new masters and fight in Iraq in Afghanistan and tomorrow maybe even in Iran. And they tell us that they are "independent" and "free"!?!

The same pitiful Poland has her dirty mouth full of "democracy" and wants to convince the whole world that it fights for "democracy" in Iraq and Afghanistan and at the same time at home in Poland majority of Poles do not want American rockets in Poland but the Polish governmentS (that's plural!) do not care about democracy and opinion of the majority!?!

PISH!

Once cock-suckers always cock-suckers!

[ekaterina]

Poland's one of those countries that by virtual of location got alot of wars and partitions. It was the twentieth century's version of Armenia (the state in between Ancient Rome & the 2nd Persian Empire). It's hard to tell who treated them the best, worst, etc. Some say the best was when Napolean I renewed it.

How much is the US paying Poland in order to make this happen?

[daver2]

ekaterina said:

Poland's one of those countries that by virtual of location got alot of wars and partitions. It was the twentieth century's version of Armenia (the state in between Ancient Rome & the 2nd Persian Empire). It's hard to tell who treated them the best, worst, etc. Some say the best was when Napolean I renewed it.

How much is the US paying Poland in order to make this happen?

Nothing? The former government of Kaczyński didn't even want any patriot missiles from US. And I still hope there will be no anti missiles on Polish territories.

[wiking]

medo said:

So much about the new "Russian-friendly" government in Poland.

The most pitiful thing here is the fact that poor Poland forgets that it was not US who gave it freedom but USSR and Russia! It was not NATO who drove out Russian tanks from Poland but it was a Russian who decided that Russia and USSR should give freedom to all the Eastern Europeans, including poor and pitiful Poland.

Westerners (including all Polish governments) behave like pussies! When Poles had to fight they decided to be still and frightened chickens. And when finally Russia decided to give them freedom they started to bark.


Once cock-suckers always cock-suckers!

They "liberated" Poland.. umm yeah after invading it themselves and contributing to its defeat in collaboration with fascists. Thank you so much.

Once a traitor always a traitor.

You say Poles are cowards? They held off Germany, one of the most advanced military forces in the world, and Russia, one of the biggest, for weeks.. at the same time. Not to mention they never surrendered. Russians are the cowards. They don't know what courage, honor or professionalism are. They're all criminals.

In reality they didn't liberate shit, they enslaved Poland with Communism for over sixty years. Yeah, thanks again.

I'll tell you why SN doesn't work. It has become all too clear most recently.. RUSSIANS.

[White Cossack]

wiking said:

medo said:

So much about the new "Russian-friendly" government in Poland.

The most pitiful thing here is the fact that poor Poland forgets that it was not US who gave it freedom but USSR and Russia! It was not NATO who drove out Russian tanks from Poland but it was a Russian who decided that Russia and USSR should give freedom to all the Eastern Europeans, including poor and pitiful Poland.

Westerners (including all Polish governments) behave like pussies! When Poles had to fight they decided to be still and frightened chickens. And when finally Russia decided to give them freedom they started to bark.


Once cock-suckers always cock-suckers!

They "liberated" Poland.. umm yeah after invading it themselves and contributing to its defeat in collaboration with fascists. Thank you so much.

Once a traitor always a traitor.

You say Poles are cowards? They held off Germany, one of the most advanced military forces in the world, and Russia, one of the biggest, for weeks.. at the same time. Not to mention they never surrendered. Russians are the cowards. They don't know what courage, honor or professionalism are. They're all criminals.

In reality they didn't liberate shit, they enslaved Poland with Communism for over sixty years. Yeah, thanks again.

I'll tell you why SN doesn't work. It has become all too clear most recently.. RUSSIANS.

Some Croat bashes Polacks and you offend Russians? Yeah, you are really smart dude.

[slavianin]

WiKing, you forgot to mention that in Soviet Russia people eat children. Have you eaten any?

a typical brainwashed PENDOS

[krakus]

medo said:

So much about the new "Russian-friendly" government in Poland.

The most pitiful thing here is the fact that poor Poland forgets that it was not US who gave it freedom but USSR and Russia! It was not NATO who drove out Russian tanks from Poland but it was a Russian who decided that Russia and USSR should give freedom to all the Eastern Europeans, including poor and pitiful Poland.

Westerners (including all Polish governments) behave like pussies! When Poles had to fight they decided to be still and frightened chickens. And when finally Russia decided to give them freedom they started to bark.

When Russia/USSR was in Afghanistan Poles did not have to join them. And they still complained they that weren't free. Although they were a sovereign country and member of UN they claimed that Germans in WW2 were better!?! Now they have to follow their new masters and fight in Iraq in Afghanistan and tomorrow maybe even in Iran. And they tell us that they are "independent" and "free"!?!

The same pitiful Poland has her dirty mouth full of "democracy" and wants to convince the whole world that it fights for "democracy" in Iraq and Afghanistan and at the same time at home in Poland majority of Poles do not want American rockets in Poland but the Polish governmentS (that's plural!) do not care about democracy and opinion of the majority!?!

PISH!

Once cock-suckers always cock-suckers!

hahahaha..you are pathetic....Wash your mouth out with soap...






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