Post by TsarSamuil on Apr 25, 2013 14:19:34 GMT -5
Russia to Spend $100 Mln on Combat Vehicle Upgrades.
MOSCOW, April 22 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Defense Ministry has announced a tender for the modernization of BMD-1 airborne fighting vehicles, and plans to spend almost 3.4 billion rubles (around $100 million) on that goal, the state procurements agency said on Monday.
Some 145 machines are to be upgraded to BMD-2 this year and another 67 next year with the starting price of the upgrades estimated at 16 million rubles per vehicle.
Last year, nearly 2 billion rubles was allocated for the modernization of 135 vehicles.
Defense Ministry spokesman Col. Alexander Kucherenko said in December last year that the Airborne Assault Forces will receive the first 10 advanced BMD-4M vehicles by the end of 2013.
The BMD-4M is the latest modification of an armored combat vehicle that can be para-dropped to provide firepower and support for airborne troops. It features a new chassis, a digital fire control system and a set of high-precision weaponry, including a 100-mm gun.
The Russian military is expected to acquire at least 1,000 BMD-4Ms under the current rearmament program before 2020.
Post by TsarSamuil on Jul 17, 2013 12:17:11 GMT -5
Armored vehicles formed basis of Ukraine's arms exports in 2012.
KYIV, July 16 /UKRINFORM/. Armored vehicles, man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) and light weapons are leaders in the export of arms from Ukraine.
This is stated in a report on the international transfers of certain categories of arms carried out by Ukraine in 2012, released by the State Export Control Service.
In particular, 99 T-72 tanks were delivered to Ethiopia, 10 T-72 - to Sudan. In addition, Ukraine exported large quantities of armored combat vehicles to Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Iraq, Thailand, Sudan and Turkmenistan.
Five training A-39 planes were delivered to Estonia and two Su-25 to Sudan. Lithuania received one Mi-24P.
Among the recipients of arms from Ukraine are also Russia, the U.S., Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, Turkey, Israel, Italy, Sweden, Kazakhstan, Pakistan, Kenya, Chad, Botswana and other countries.
Listva Detects Mines by Radar and Neutralizes Them With Microwaves.
The Listva remote-controlled mine-clearing vehicle has completed its test program at a military proving ground near the town of Krasnoarmeisk. This new piece of military equipment detects mines using ground-penetrating radar and then uses ultra-high-frequency rays to neutralize them.
Russia is introducing 'tank biathlon', a new paramilitary sport about armor races and precision gunnery. The first international competition started near Moscow on Monday. Several NATO countries, including the US, are expected to join the contest in 2014. The basic idea behind the tank contest is simple and repeats the rules of the classic biathlon: cover about 20km in shortest time while successfully hitting your targets.
Tank biathlon: First comp in new paramilitary sport starts near Moscow.
RT.com August 11, 2013 11:34
Russia is introducing ‘tank biathlon’, a new paramilitary sport about armor races and precision gunnery. The first international competition starts near Moscow on Monday. Several NATO countries, including the US, are expected to join the contest in 2014.
The concept of a direct tank crew competition recently introduced by the Russian Defense Ministry was born during an ordinary tank crew field firing exercise. What the military needs is a complex tank crew proficiency and gunnery skills test.
But while military drills are a serious and costly matter, tank biathlon is more about pure professionalism and sporting competitive spirit. The winner is champion, having ‘blown’ the competitors away.
The basic idea behind the tank contest is simple and repeats the rules of the classic biathlon: cover about 20km in shortest time while successfully hitting your targets.
But since this is a military game, the targets are hit with everything a tank has in its arsenal: cannon, ranging machine gun and anti-aircraft machine-gun mounted on the tank’s turret. That means there are three firing sectors to use each weapon so a tank crew remains fire-ready throughout the event.
The first is main gun firing; the second is eliminating infantry targets with a 9mm machine gun; and the third is an assault of an ‘artillery battery’ with a 12.5mm anti-aircraft machine-gun. There are five targets at each stage. No tank leaves the range without hitting all targets. Those who missed have to cover penalty loops of 500 meters.
The targets are not static; they appear suddenly and for a limited time. The crew should not only hit each one, but sometimes make an immediate decision in which consequence to hit multiple targets: the most ‘dangerous’ should be eliminated first. The targets emerge at various distances, from 600 meters to up to 2km.
This is not a competition of armored vehicles; it’s a definite team game where every man contributes to the final result.
The tank commander is the decision-maker. He discloses targets, keeps contact with the control station and coordinates actions of the crew.
The gunner hits targets while the driver’s task is not reduced to simple full-throttle acceleration as the tank repeatedly crosses a number of obstacles: a ford, some fences, a rut bridge, plus there are some high-speed sections as well as overtaking passages. So a driver’s exact maneuvering and course stability that influences the firing results means really a lot. If the driver makes mistakes and, for example, hits a pole while making a serpent maneuver – the crew gets an additional 10 seconds to its total time.
The jury follows the competition closely from a command point situated some 2.5km from the range. Video cameras on the range and UAVs in the air make the picture of the contest complete and the refereeing unbiased.
Elimination games have already been conducted in the Central, South and Urals military districts of Russia, while national contests have been held in allied Belarus, Kazakhstan and Armenia. The final competition between the winning regional and national tank crews will take place at Moscow Region’s Alabino firing range on August 12-17 for the first time ever.
It is expected that the final contest will include several additional elements. One will be hitting targets imitating low-flying helicopters at ranges of 900 to 2,200 meters (possibly with guidable missiles Russian tanks are equipped with). The final round of the competition will also include firing the main gun in motion with the tank's turret turned perpendicular to the axis of movement considered to be one of the most difficult and spectacular elements.
Russian-American tank competition in 2014?
The recent 2+2 meeting of the Russian Foreign and Defense ministers with their American counterparts has brought a number of positive results and among them some quite unexpected ones. Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu made several proposals to the American side to further strengthen military cooperation and interaction and the US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel gave the green light to some. Among them is the participation of American tank crews (most probably American M1 Abrams main tanks) in the newly-invented Russian military contest.
“We have invited our American counterparts to participate in the tank biathlon competition in Russia,” Shoigu told reporters. “US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has accepted the invitation.”
Reportedly crews from other NATO countries are also likely to take part in the competition next year.
Shoigu stressed that the crews from the US and possibly Germany and Italy would be driving their own tanks. “Moreover, like our Italian counterparts said, they threaten the victory will be theirs,” Shoigu maintained.
Russia’s Defense Minister also expects the competition to become a great promotion for national armored vehicles on the international arms market. “In future, we shall be doing everything possible to have foreign armed forces buy our tanks,” he promised.
Russia's Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said on Saturday "We shall have an opportunity to organize a competition between wheel and track tanks," adding that since the previous year Italian Centauro wheel tanks have been undergoing tests in Russia (at the Kubinka tank development research center near Moscow).
The practical benefit from the competition would not only be a higher level of training for Russian tank crews, but also demonstrating advantages of the Russian armored vehicles, Borisov said.
Shoigu shared that tank biathlon could become a paramilitary sport discipline.
“I do hope that tank biathlon will become a new sport,” he said.
For the Win – Russia Triumphs in Tank Biathlon.
ALABINO FIRING RANGE, Moscow Region, August 17 (Alexey Eremenko, RIA Novosti) – Russia’s latest military invention – a tank biathlon pitting ex-Soviet states against each other – is an assault on the senses, especially on hearing.
The racing field dwarfs the 40-ton machines and is clouded by smoke. The announcer’s deep voice struggles to cut through the booming guns and whistling signal rockets, and the engines’ roar is deafening as brightly-painted killing machines thunder past, each leaving a plume of dust in its wake.
The idea is pretty simple – just like a regular biathlon, only with tanks.
The Russian military unleashed this new sport on the world this week, delivering an event that was part sales pitch, part post-Soviet bonding exercise.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, it won, trouncing rivals from three post-Soviet countries – Armenia, Belarus and Kazakhstan – in Saturday’s superfinals.
“I don't know how we did it. Just sat there in the machine going all out, thinking, the whole of Russia is watching us,” Pvt. Igor Artemyev, the Russian team’s driver told RIA Novosti after the race. His left control lever stopped working, and he pulled his machine through while maneuvering with a single track, the 19-year-old conscript – a round-faced, sturdy fellow with the wholesome looks of a rustic fairytale hero – said.
To the spectators however, Russia’s crimson T-72B seemed to breeze through the racing ground like it was a Saturday morning trip to a supermarket.
The crew commander in Kazakhstan's blue tank sprained his arm handling the main gun shell. After a replacement was found it bounced back, coming in second, just under a minute after Russia. Belarus finished third, Armenia last.
“It was new to us. We've done all these exercises before, but never at the same training run,” Kazakh gunner Aidyn Kalioldin told RIA Novosti after the race. “The Russians handled it better. But we would have won if the race had taken place in Kazakhstan,” Kalioldin added with a smile.
Pegs & Minefields
All four teams at Alabino training grounds outside Moscow on Saturday competed in T-72Bs, the staple tank of all post-Soviet armies and a close relative of the T-90, Russia’s main export tank.
Like any good show, it started with a warm-up: Out on the field several heavy war machines of the same model – though not the performers – executed elaborate maneuvers. Incongruously, the host talked like he was at a ballroom dance contest, though there was an apocalyptic grace to this “tank ballet,” as he put it.
Each lap was 6,100 meters (3.8 miles) long and included a scarp, ford, minefield and bridge. The tanks must complete the lap without losing speed or overturning.
During the first lap, each fires its main gun at a target from a distance of 2,200 meters (7,200 feet), which is close to their maximum range. Then it is the machine gun that sees action, and then flanking fire at three consecutive targets. Ammo is loaded onto the tank at the firing line each time. There is no slack – no extra shots are allowed and every miss costs the team a 500-meter penalty lap.
Crucially – to keep the event sporting – they are not allowed to fire at each other.
The military made an effort to entertain. The superfinals came complete with fireworks, music and dance shows, and a display of old Soviet tanks, cars and state-of-the-art military training equipment.
Children and adults jostled to get their picture taken with what looked like a real rocket launcher.
But the vibe was like that at a pro wrestling match organized by the Soviet Union
The adrenaline-filled event called for scantily clad cheerleaders, hard rock, beer and an announcer frothing at the mouth with excitement but came up short on all counts.
Instead, there were yawning gaps between events, punctuated only by officials’ sleep-inducing speeches.
Any metal band would surely sell their souls for the chance to play this gig, but the live soundtrack to the event sounded prehistoric. Some of the Soviet tunes played were so old that one explicitly praised Stalin.
At times the announcer imitated the booming “this is Moscow calling” style of World War II-era radio host Yury Levitan, but this inevitably fell flat when he had to deliver a running commentary on tanks rolling through obstacles in the haze.
The 3,000 spectators were mostly a hand-picked assortment of former and currently-serving soldiers who were invited along with their entire families. No tickets were on sale to the public.
“Who knows what would happen if we just let anyone in,” army spokesperson Nikolai Dolyushkin told RIA Novosti.
Endangered Species or Export Opportunity?
Not many saw it coming, since tank forces have hardly been a priority in Russia over the past two decades. Plans to scale back the tank force from the current 20,000 to just 2,000 tanks were reported in 2010 by news agencies citing Defense Ministry sources, though never implemented.
Russia’s top brass feel that the tank’s golden age is already over, Voenpens.ru military news website cited military analyst Alexander Khramchikhin as saying last year, shortly before new Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu was appointed.
The development of cheap anti-tank weapons and the tendency toward small-scale conflicts arguably eliminate the need for clashes between massive tank armadas, Ruslan Pukhov of the Center for Analysis of Strategy and Technologies told RIA Novosti on Friday.
However, the experience of actual wars of the two past decades in the post-Soviet space (including two Chechen wars, the clash between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Nagorno Karabakh in the early 1990s, and the Russian-Georgian conflict of 2008) all showed that tanks are still relevant, Pukhov said.
Russia remains the world’s biggest exporter of battle tanks, the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Global Arms Trade says. So this tank biathlon appeared to be an entertaining if unconventional sales pitch, Pukhov said.
“We’ll do our best to ensure that foreign armies buy our tanks in the future,” Shoigu said, announcing the event last week.
Forty-six military attaches from embassies in Moscow were invited, the Defense Ministry said, and most showed up, many with their families in tow.
US, Germany – Bring it On
Shoigu also said that the United States and Germany, Russia’s rivals on the arms exports market, were invited to bring their own tanks to compete against Russia next year.
After Saturday’s race, the US and German military attachés both said that their respective superiors are still deciding whether to accept Shoigu’s invitation, though the German officer sounded excited about it.
Shoigu previously claimed that US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel had approved US participation in 2014, but Colonel R. Taft Blackburn, US Army Attaché in Russia, said this was not the case.
“It is an interesting idea, but there are many issues at stake,” was all that Blackburn said when asked by RIA Novosti whether the Pentagon is considering the risk that Russia could interpret US unwillingness to take part as weakness.
Blackburn then beat a hasty retreat into the VIP stand, as an Armenian tank thundered past.
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New Armored Vehicle Uses Drone Planes and Sensors to Find 'Saboteurs'
The crew of the advanced Taifun (Typhoon) M counter-sabotage vehicle uses a thermal imaging system and an unmanned aircraft to locate “saboteurs” at a training center near Moscow. Watch this RIA Novosti video showing the vehicle’s impressive potential.
MOSCOW, September 7 (RIA Novosti) – The prototype of Russia’s next generation Armata main battle tank is ready for testing, which will begin by November, the head of the Russian Tank Forces said Saturday.
“The prototypes will be unveiled soon at an exhibit in Nizhny Tagil, and their tests will kick off within a month or two, I believe,” Lt. Gen. Alexander Shevchenko said on Echo Moskvy radio.
The biannual Russian Arms Expo will run in the Urals city in September 25-28 this year. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said in July that the country’s leadership will get a sneak preview of the new tank during the arms fair.
An unmanned version of the Armata main battle tank is also on the cards, Shevchenko said.
Armata is a universal combat platform that is to be utilized for production of various armored vehicles. Shevchenko said on Friday that prototypes are already created for an Armada-based main battle tank, heavy infantry fighting vehicle and armored recovery vehicle.
The combat platform, named after a 14-century Russian cannon, is being designed since 2009 by the state-run corporation Uralvagonzavod, headquartered in Nizhny Tagil.
Armata-based vehicles will be a match for their existing NATO counterparts and even excel them in certain areas, Shevchenko said Friday, without elaborating.
Not much is known about the upcoming Armata battle tank, tentatively scheduled to enter military service in the Russian army in 2015. Media reports and military officials said earlier said that its turret would be unmanned, with three-man crew residing in the better protected chassis area, and that the main gun may utilize either shells or missiles.
Shevchenko also said Saturday that all standing alert units of the Russian army will switch to two types of main battle tanks – the T-72 and the T-90 – by early 2015. The move will complete the tank unification program in the Russian military, which utilized 40 models of 10 different battle tanks in 2008, he said.
Russian Army Received over 100 Tanks in 2013 - Defense Ministry.
MOSCOW, September 8 (RIA Novosti) - Over 100 modernized tanks have entered service with the Russian armed forces in 2013, the Defense Ministry reported Sunday, when Russia celebrates Tank Crewmen’s Day.
“The tank forces have received more than 100 modernized tanks this year as part of efforts to implement rearmament plans,” the ministry said in a statement.
“By 2020, the share of modern armored vehicles in the forces should reach 70 percent,” it said.
Post by TsarSamuil on Sept 23, 2013 11:35:52 GMT -5
Industry Exec Gives Glimpse of Russia’s New ‘Secret’ Tank.
MOSCOW, September 23 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s new-generation main battle tank will feature an unmanned, remotely controlled turret that will be digitally controlled by a crew located in a separate compartment, a defense industry official said Monday.
An Armata prototype will be demonstrated at “a restricted showing” this month during the 9th Russia Arms Expo 2013 international arms exhibition due to the “secret nature of the project,” said Igor Sevastyanov, deputy general director of Rosoboronexport, Russia’s state-run arms export monopoly.
Another feature of the new tank, tentatively scheduled to enter military service in the Russian army in 2015, is an automated combat command and control system, he added.
Armata is a modular universal combat platform that will be used as a basis for a new tank, fire support vehicle, mine clearing vehicle, heavy flame throwing vehicle, bridge laying vehicle and other heavy equipment, Sevastyanov said.
A prototype Armata tank is ready for testing, and that process is due to begin in November, Lt. Gen. Alexander Shevchenko, commander of the Russian Tank Forces, said earlier this month in an interview with Ekho Moskvy radio.
The biannual Russian Arms Expo will run in the Urals city of Nizhny Tagil between September 25 and 28.
Post by TsarSamuil on Sept 25, 2013 13:57:00 GMT -5
Russia, France Develop New Infantry Fighting Vehicle.
MOSCOW, September 25 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Uralvagonzavod and France’s Renault are jointly developing a new infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) with an increased firing range of up to 16 kilometers, the Russian company said Wednesday.
“We [Uralvagonzavod and Renault Trucks Defense] unveiled today a prototype of a future IFV,” Uralvagonzavod general director Oleg Sienko said at Russian Arms Expo-2013, which opened Wednesday in the Urals city of Nizhny Tagil.
“The French side provided us with the transmission, the engine, the concept and the fire control system,” he said.
According to Sienko, the new IFV will be highly competitive on global markets because it is equipped with a powerful 57-mm gun, instead of the 30-mm variant that is standard for current IFVs.
“With its maneuverability and fire power, we are certain that this product will be in high demand on the market,” Sienko said, adding that a joint Russian-French venture could be formed to set up localized production of the new IFV in Russia.
Renault, France’s second-biggest carmaker, has made the Russian market one of its priorities for international development. Russia is already Renault’s fourth-largest automobile market.
In 2014, the Renault-Nissan Alliance will get a majority stake in a joint venture with the Russian Technologies State Corporation, called Alliance Rostec Auto BV, which will control AvtoVAZ, leader of the Russian car market.
Post by TsarSamuil on Sept 25, 2013 14:09:56 GMT -5
Russia Unveils ‘Terminator-2’ Tank Support Vehicle.
NIZHNY TAGIL, September 25 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Uralvagonzavod defense manufacturer on Wednesday unveiled the BMPT-72 tank support fighting vehicle, dubbed the “Terminator-2,” at the Russia Arms Expo 2013 in Nizhny Tagil.
The BMPT-72 is an extensive modernization of the world-famous T-72 main battle tank, also produced by Uralvagonzavod. Compared with its predecessor – the BMPT – the BMPT-72 has an improved fire control system and better turret weapon station protection.
“The key advantage that the BMPT-72 gives to all the counties that operate T-72 tanks is that they can promptly and at minimal cost upgrade their armies to an ultra-modern level, and enhance capacity, mobility, protection and armament without purchasing new high-cost machines,” Uralvgonzavod said in press release prior to the Nizhny Tagil show.
The BMPT-72 is armed with two 30-mm cannons, two 30-mm grenade launchers, four launchers for 130-mm Ataka-T anti-tank guided missiles, a 7.62-mm machine gun, and two 81-mm smoke grenade launchers.
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Wednesday that the idea to build new heavily armed tank support vehicles emerged on the basis of experience acquired by the Russian military during the First Chechen War in North Caucasus, especially during the urban fighting in Grozny in 1995 when Russian troops lost a large number of combat vehicles to “guerrilla warfare” tactics used by Chechen separatists.
Rogozin, who oversees the Russian defense and space industries, said future versions of the BMPT would most likely be based on the platform of Russia’s highly anticipated new main battle tank: the Armata.
The Russia Arms Expo-2013 exhibition, which has opened in Nizhny Tagil, features an upgraded T-72 tank for urban warfare, a Rakushka-M armored personnel carrier and a 30-ton Atom infantry fighting vehicle.
Post by TsarSamuil on Sept 27, 2013 16:26:10 GMT -5
Russia’s Prime Minister Gets Sneak Preview of Top Secret Tank.
NIZHNY TAGIL, September 26 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and a select group of senior officials got a sneak peek at a secret prototype of the country’s new-generation battle tank in a closed viewing at an arms show in the Urals region on Thursday.
The new tank, dubbed Armata, is expected to join the military in 2015 and become the core of Russia’s army. The Defense Ministry has said that the Russian army will get 2,300 Armatas by 2020.
Although the new tank remains top secret, its manufacturer Uralvagonzavod has said that its design incorporates elements seen in other projects, including Object 195 and Black Eagle.
It will also reportedly feature a remotely controlled gun and fully automated loading, as well as a separate crew compartment made from composite materials and protected by multilayered armor.
Russian experts believe that the appearance of the remotely controlled gun would eventually lead to the development of a fully robotic tank which could be deployed to spearhead an offensive.
The Armata is designed as a modular universal combat platform that could be used as the basis for a variety of combat vehicles, including fire support, mine clearing, heavy flame throwing, and bridge laying vehicles, local media reported citing defense ministry officials.
Igor Korotchenko, a Russian military expert associated with the Defense Ministry, said this week that over the period 2009-2012, Russia had 52.7 percent of the global market for new main battle tanks, calculated by the units exported (806) or 31 percent if calculated by value ($2.58 billion).
Korotchenko, who heads the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Global Arms Trade, forecasted that global tank exports could reach 1,552 units over the next three years, with an estimated value of $8.98 billion. However he also said that Russia’s expected share of this market could shrink, by comparison with the preceding 3-year period, to 48.8 percent in unit terms.
Russia to Boost Armor Units in Far East With Upgraded Tanks.
MOSCOW, November 6 (RIA Novosti) – More than 50 modernized T-72 main battle tanks will be put in service with mechanized infantry brigades of the 35th Army, deployed in Russia’s Far East, by the end of 2013, a spokesman for the Eastern Military District said Wednesday.
“The army will receive over 50 new T-72B1 tanks by the end of the year,” Lt. Col. Alexander Gordeyev said.
He said the first shipment of new tanks will be delivered directly from tank-manufacturing plants in November.
The T-72B1 is a much improved version of the T-72 main battle tank, featuring a new engine and main gun, additional armor protection and advanced fire control system among other improvements, which makes its characteristics comparable to those of a more modern T-90 tank.
The main gun, an upgraded 125-mm smoothbore 2A46M, has improved performance characteristics and uses ammunition with increased armor-penetrating capability.
TsarSamuil: Medicines aren't allowed to be sold on the market without a 15 year trial period, to determine short n long term effects. Sputnik just turned 1 year, others not even that, just months, how can we determine long term effects without the data from long term
Aug 24, 2021 11:22:20 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: exposure? Does anyone have a time machine to go 14 years or so into the future n come back n say whether we have good vaccines? Fear makes world abandon its own standards..Besides, vaccines for other illnesses that have been developed for YEARS actually
Aug 24, 2021 11:23:40 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: help. These covid vaccines are literally SHIT, why else do they demand you take 1, 2 n now 3 shots? The problem is also a disease becomes resilient if u administer a weak vaccine that doesn't do the job proper. Allow illness to survive just makes it strong
Aug 24, 2021 11:25:04 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: instead if we go by the book, we should all wait for a really good vaccine to take out the illness for good. Now...we may never get rid of it..but understandably the world economy has a hard time dealing with lock downs, but that is just needless panic
Aug 24, 2021 11:27:06 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: why Swe had fared well with country not being locked down? Because they are cold people, keeping distance was the thing before covid-19 was ever heard of, I hope world doesn't become like that, but some could use a little common sense n change in behavior.
Aug 24, 2021 11:29:12 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: It's no wonder covid hits so many Arabs in the country, stupid bastards..
Aug 24, 2021 11:29:38 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: If I go to H&M a new shirt, if an Arab wants to buy a pair of pants, not only is his whole family along, his friends, even his freaking grandmother is along n all chattering along in a big dumb group of ignorance..
Aug 24, 2021 11:33:05 GMT -5
Boro: Thx for the response. I'm not sure... It seems the vaccines work, at least people aren't dying of Covid. Those who get ill have a problem, it's not "just a flu". Maybe it's from a chinese laboratory, who knows...
Aug 24, 2021 13:46:55 GMT -5
Boro: I agree regarding Arabs..
Aug 24, 2021 13:50:39 GMT -5
Boro: Be glad, Sweden isn't overpopulated.
Aug 24, 2021 14:11:49 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: true, vaccines do help somewhat, maybe better than nothing..I hope in 2022 we can come out of this nightmare..
Aug 24, 2021 15:38:24 GMT -5
Boro: Horrible times, indeed.
Aug 24, 2021 15:47:41 GMT -5