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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2008 21:05:42 GMT -5
Honestly, who of you did military service? ;D
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Post by pastir on Jan 27, 2008 16:52:57 GMT -5
I wasnt going to serve a NATO army.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2008 16:58:12 GMT -5
I wasnt going to serve a NATO army. Same with me. The pre-war JNA would be something different. |
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Post by Яромip on Jan 28, 2008 10:11:17 GMT -5
It's an idea of proving that you care about greater whole with personal sacrifice. In Democracies elected officials do a lot of talking about "greater good" and how they "care about the people" but their ACTIONS speak otherwise.
Typically, it is a very good (best possible?) filtration mechanism to separate true ideologues from opportunists.
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Post by ceskybojovnik1938 on Jan 28, 2008 18:25:04 GMT -5
That maybe true, but isnt the idea of the "citizen" derived from the Roman empire and the USA today is much like the Roman Empire; Imperialist, expansionist, decadent, manipulative etc etc
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Post by medo on Feb 4, 2008 14:58:07 GMT -5
Ukraine parliament work blocked until NATO vote decision - ex-PMKIEV, February 4 (RIA Novosti) - The Ukrainian opposition will halt its obstruction of work by parliament only after the announcement of a referendum on the former Soviet republic joining NATO, an ex-prime minister said on Monday. "We demand that a resolution be made stating the necessity to draft a law on Ukraine joining NATO. This could take place only after a national referendum. Should such a resolution be issued, we will unblock the Supreme Rada," Viktor Yanukovych told journalists. In January, Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko, Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko and parliamentary speaker, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, sent a letter to the alliance's Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer expressing their hope that the country could join the action plan for joining NATO at a summit scheduled for early April in Bucharest. The opposition Party of Regions, led by Yanukovych, and the Communists blocked the rostrum demanding a referendum on NATO admission. Yanukovych said any steps toward Ukraine joining NATO should be made after a referendum. While commenting on the letter, he said: "It's unclear how this decision was made. It should have been considered at a Cabinet session." Prime Minister Tymoshenko had previously stated that a decision on whether Ukraine should take up any future NATO offer to join the alliance would only be taken after a national referendum. A recent poll carried out by Ukraine's Democratic Initiatives foundation reported that over 50% of Ukrainians would vote against joining NATO. In the survey, 51.9% of respondents said they viewed NATO as an "aggressive imperialist bloc that would draw Ukraine into military conflicts." Russia has expressed concern over its neighbor's intention to join NATO, saying on January 26 that, "The desire to accelerate [Ukraine's] accession to this military-political bloc, expressed by the Ukrainian leadership, will entail serious consequences for the development of Russian-Ukrainian relations and will harm European security in general." Russia's upper house of parliament voted last month to cancel an agreement with Ukraine on early warning and space monitoring systems, citing inadequate technical support by Ukraine for radar facilities. However, Federation Council Speaker Sergei Mironov said the decision was not politically motivated. "There is no politics in our decision - only common sense, expediency and national security considerations," he said. Participation in the NATO Membership Action Plan does not automatically mean a country will be admitted to the bloc, but is the first step toward membership. en.rian.ru/world/20080204/98354509.html
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Post by medo on Feb 4, 2008 15:15:01 GMT -5
Finally we have some activity from Viktor Yanukovych. Go Slavs go! Do not allow western bandits and imperialists to divide us!
Until 2005 pro-western Ukraine had troops in Iraq and now the West wants to involve Ukraine into Afghanistan shit too. The West promises paradise in EU to Ukraine if it only joins NATO, but the fact is that Ukraine like Turkey due its size will never be a full member of EU. Even if it became an EU member it cannot expect to be anything else but only an EU colony, like poor Romania, poor Bulgaria, poor Poland. I read in Serbian media than today Romanians and Bulgarians still come to work in Serbia since EU countries are imposing restrictions on their labor force.
Russia and Ukraine must stick together and only together they can achieve whatever they wish! Only Russia and Ukraine together can be a backbone of any Slavic union.
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Post by CHORNYVOLK on Feb 8, 2008 10:15:56 GMT -5
Putin says Russia won't be drawn into new arms race
17:18 | 08/ 02/ 2008
MOSCOW, February 8 (RIA Novosti) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that a new arms race had begun, but that Russia would not allow itself to be drawn into it.
"It is clear that a new arms race has been unleashed in the world," Putin said in a speech to the State Council, comprising ministers, governors and lawmakers.
"The developed countries...spend huge amounts of funds, many times as much as we spend, on developing weapons systems," the president said adding Russia should show restraint and not permit itself to be drawn into costly confrontation.
"We must not allow ourselves to be drawn into this," he said.
Putin also said the policy of 'containment' pursued by some countries toward Russia was driven by their desire to gain access to its natural resources.
"God did not begrudge us natural riches," he said. "Many conflicts, political decisions and diplomatic stunts have the smell of oil and natural gas about them."
Putin is to step down after the March 2 presidential election. He is widely expected to be succeeded by a current first deputy prime minister, Dmitry Medvedev, hand-picked by the Russian leader "to ensure policy continuity."
Putin blamed the West for unleashing the arms race. "We are not to blame, we did not instigate it," he said.
He said Russia had seen no real steps from its Western partners towards a compromise on the Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty.
The Cold War-era Conventional Forces in Europe treaty, which regulates the deployment of non-nuclear weapons between the Atlantic and the Urals, has become a source of tension between Russia and NATO, with the Western alliance refusing to ratify its updated version and Russia subsequently imposing a moratorium on the treaty.
Russia has also been unnerved by NATO's ongoing expansion and Washington's plans to deploy missile defense bases in Central Europe, which it says are needed to deter possible strikes from Iran and other "rogue states."
"NATO's military infrastructure is approaching our borders," the president said. "We closed down our bases in Cuba and Vietnam, and what did we get? New American bases in Romania, Bulgaria, and a new third missile defense region in Poland."
"They say these steps are not aimed against Russia, but out concerns are quite reasonable. ...our partners in NATO have demanded that we unilaterally fulfill obligations under treaties without honoring them themselves and without ratifying certain agreements."
"We are actually being forced to take retaliatory steps," he said, calling for a new security strategy by 2020 to address emerging threats.
The president also said Russia needs new types of weapons based on advanced technology, but should also try to keep spending down to reasonable limits. He also urged measures to raise the prestige of military service and a rise in salaries and allowances for the military.
Under Putin, Russia has used some of its windfall oil revenues to increase military spending and stepped up military exercises.
Russia restored in August long-distance strategic flights over the Pacific, Atlantic and Arctic oceans. The patrols, a common practice during the Cold War, were halted in 1992 amid the economic and political chaos that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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Post by yuri6 on Feb 8, 2008 12:31:12 GMT -5
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Post by CHORNYVOLK on Feb 8, 2008 15:54:57 GMT -5
Lavrov criticizes US 'imperial thinking' Report: Russian FM Suggests Missile Defense Is U.S. Attempt to Encircle Russia RYAN LUCAS AP News Feb 07, 2008 09:26 EST Russia's foreign minister called U.S. plans to build a global missile defense shield an example of "imperial thinking," and suggested in comments published Thursday that Washington was using the system to try to encircle Russia. Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with the Polish daily Gazeta Wyborcza that elements of the missile defense system "exist or will be built in Alaska, California, northeast Asia." "If we look at a map, it's clear that all of it is concentrating around our borders," he was quoted as saying. "Most likely in the near future, we are going to hear about hundreds, and maybe even thousands, of interceptors in various regions of the planet, including Europe." Washington wants to place 10 missile defense interceptors in Poland and a radar system in neighboring Czech Republic as part of a global system it says is necessary to protect against future attacks from Iran. The U.S. and Poland have stressed that the system poses no threat to Russia and its vast nuclear arsenal, and is instead designed to protect the U.S. and Europe from Iran. Lavrov brushed aside those assurances, saying "such a threat does not exist." He said only one country in eastern Europe has strategic ballistic missiles: Russia. "That's why you would have to be very naive to assume that the American missile defense base in Europe is aimed against anything but Russia," he was quoted as saying. "It's difficult to interpret it as anything other than a manifestation of imperial thinking." Russia is incensed by the prospect of U.S. installations in a region that it controlled during the Cold War and has threatened to attack the bases, causing deep anxiety in Poland. Lavrov called U.S. plans to build a missile defense base in Poland "only a trial balloon," adding that "Russia does not fear 10 interceptors." "Much more dangerous for us is the trend of American infrastructure getting closer to our borders," he told Gazeta Wyborcza. "We don't see any justification for this step." "We are talking openly with the Americans about our fears. If the plan goes through, we are going to be forced to respond adequately, developing our strategic forces near our borders." Last week, Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski said during a visit to Washington that Poland had agreed in principle to hosting the base after Warsaw received assurances that the United States would help Poland strengthen its short- to medium-range air defenses. Source: AP News wiredispatch.com/news/?id=37102 |
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Post by CHORNYVOLK on Feb 8, 2008 15:58:18 GMT -5
Putin said he won't be drawn into an arms race .However he also said Russia would make more advanced weapons.I think he has some kind surprise in store that may neutralize the computers the US uses in launches etc. The stinking yankzz have mentioned that cyber attacks worry them.Most Russian aircraft and such was built using tubes and not computers so they would be invulnerable to emp attacks.
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Post by yuri6 on Feb 9, 2008 12:08:02 GMT -5
Yes, I remember the use of vacuum tubes in the Foxbat. The Western investigators laughed at their use until someone pointed out that they are invulnerable to EMP. Typical! BTW I have come across Stanley Kubricks screenplay for his never made film "Napoleon" It's a good read and would have made an exceptional film. Worth reading in light of todays constellation of events which appear to run parallel. pdf file: www.donkeyontheedge.com/i/napoleon.pdf |
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Post by CHORNYVOLK on Feb 9, 2008 22:35:47 GMT -5
German vice chancellor calls to stop arms race
19:02 | 09/ 02/ 2008
MUNICH, February 9 (RIA Novosti) - Germany's vice chancellor and foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, Saturday called on world powers to stop a new arms race, saying Russia's participation in the move would be required.
"We will achieve more if Russia is with us in the same boat," he told a Munich security conference.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday that a new arms race had begun, but that Russia would not allow itself to be drawn into it.
"It is clear that a new arms race has been unleashed in the world," Putin said in a speech to the State Council, comprising ministers, governors and lawmakers.
"The developed countries...spend huge amounts of funds, many times as much as we spend, on developing weapons systems," the president said adding Russia should show restraint and not permit itself to be drawn into costly confrontation.
"We must not allow ourselves to be drawn into this," he said.
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Post by yuri6 on Feb 9, 2008 22:50:04 GMT -5
What boat?
The same boat that has Bush... "Running around like a madman with a razor blade, waving it around.."?
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Post by anubis on Feb 9, 2008 23:15:20 GMT -5
Why would we want to be in the same boat? The West is self destructive and I do not see how being in the same boat as them is beneficial to us.
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