I agree, America could be involved again. I am not Anti-American, but when it comes to politics, America knows in my opinion jack shit about cultures, history etc. Where they arrive and get involved they cause more trouble than was even previously there. Just one example: Second World War. Germany decides to erase Poland and the Polish people from the map. Kills millions of jews, gypsies etc. Stalin a favorite of mine reacts finally perhaps too late, when stupid Hitler arrives in Stalingrad and thinks he can ever conquer Russia. Russia repays Germany. Then comes the U.S. Afraid of communism and its spread in Europe it halts Russia in Europe. And the consequence? Get this: Germany never lost really the second world war, but became on of the most prosperous countries in the world with loans from the US Marshall Plan. Justice?
II. Iran is a huge country with great people, great nature, big cities (Tehran has close to 15 million inhabitants), long history, achievements. We in the west have no clue what Iran is about, because we are fed just the propaganda shit that it's a danger. America will have to pay ... either way, if they get involved. This is a cosmic law, some call it karma. Hopefully they learnt something from the past, but I doubt it.
How Western media backs the “green revolution” in Iran.
RussiaToday.com 24 June, 2009, 05:31
It was an election that was snatched from the Iranian people – or at least that's the impression being given by Western media outlets. But are they telling the full story?
The BBC and the Voice of America radio station have been harshly criticized by Iranian officials who accuse the broadcasters of fueling violence after the disputed reelection of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
The European Union has rejected Iran’s accusations that the Western media helped engineer post-election unrest as protests in Tehran continue.
And US President Barack Obama has also said that Washington is not interfering in Iran's affairs. While strongly condemning the actions of Tehran in curbing the protests, Obama said the United States respects the sovereignty of the country.
But Iranians screaming about fraud and demanding a fair election – that’s what most people are seeing on their TV screens.
Journalist Jalal Ghazi believes Ahmadinejad won the elections because “the difference is 11 million and you just cannot expect 11 million votes to be forged.”
So why does the American media seem to overlook that fact?
As the protests continue, some experts still believe there is interference from outside of Iran. A columnist and a former assistant secretary of the US Treasury in the Reagan administration, Paul Craig Roberts, says it's all part of a major destabilization plan ordered by the US.
“The CIA has been conducting a destabilization plan within Iran for the last two years; it is well known and has been widely reported in American and British press. We are seeing the fruits of an orchestrated protest that is taking place in Tehran,” said Roberts.
“The American media serves as a propaganda ministry for the government,” he added.
Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen told RT that the real story behind the media in Iran is that of instigating a “green revolution.”
“George Bush funneled $400 million to George Soros’ Open Society Institute and National Endowment for Democracy (NED) institutions to influence this opposition movement against the Iranian government,” Madsen claims. “Every time you hear about revolutions it is George Soros and the Open Society Institute.”
Going further, Madsen argued that “Yesterday, CNN really had trouble with priming itself away from the coverage of demonstration in Tehran to cover a terrible metro train accident in Washington. What is the motivation for all this intense coverage by CNN, MSNBC and Fox News? It seems like there is a coordinated and concerted effort to stir things up using Western media.”
Experts are questioning whether or not this may be another US attempt to foment a color revolution in the Middle East, as it has done in past years in Eastern Europe.
“There is a tendency now to take advantage of what is an internal problem with the present Iranian government,” Wayne Madsen said. “We see some of the same hallmarks today in Tehran which we saw in Ukraine and Georgia.”
The West does not conceal its intention to hold another color revolution in Iran.
The current state of affairs in Iran means that the West intends to have another “color revolution” in Asia at all costs. The practice of such revolutions has proved to be successful in Serbia, Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan. The revolution in Moldova has not taken place yet, but it most likely will as a result of the parliamentary elections in the country.
Iranian opposition continues holding mass riots in Iran after the controversial presidential election. Iran ’s supreme legislative instance, the Guardian Council, rejected the possibility to cancel the results of the vote. The council thereby acknowledged that there were no serious violations made in the course of the election.
Iran’s spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei emphasized the legitimacy of the vote and said that the difference of 11 million votes (Ahmadinejad’s official advantage over Moussavi) was too large to consider it a fabrication. In addition, Khamenei criticized Western leaders who questioned the results of the Iranian election. Khamenei described such remarks as interference into Iran’s internal affairs.
However, the statements from the spiritual leader pushed the Iranian opposition to taking even more actions of protest to attract the attention of the Western community. Many protesters were seen carrying posters with slogans written in English – the language, which the majority of Iranians do not understand.
Iran’s ex-president, Ayatollah Ali Akbar Rafsanjani took opposition’s side after the government ruled to arrest several of his relatives, including his daughter, in the course of the opposition riots on Saturday. The meeting was dispersed when the police used water jets and tear gas and reportedly inflicted fire damage against the protesters. Iranian officials said that there were 13 people killed in the clashes, although unofficial source speak about 150 deaths.
Most likely, the opposition intends to cancel the official results of the vote and to topple Iran’s spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who recognized the outcome of the election.
Many Iranian theologians sat that Khamenei’s stance contradicts to the position of the Iranian leader, who is supposed to be above the political struggle.
In the meantime, the West is closely watching the development of the situation in Iran and how the scenario of the new revolution is unfolding. An article that recently appeared on The Financial Times, said that Khamenei accused the governments of foreign nations of their attempts to organize a coup in Iran.
“What does it take to make a successful revolution? That question is clearly weighing on the mind of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. In his long rant at last Friday’s prayers at Tehran University, Iran’s supreme leader accused foreign governments of trying to foment a revolt in his country. He claims that foreigners are using the uprisings in the former Soviet Union as a model. “They are comparing the Islamic Republic with Georgia,” he complained.
“Mr Khamenei is right about one thing. The comparison between events in Iran and the “color revolutions” in the former USSR is certainly suggestive. Andrew Miller, a journalist at The Economist who witnessed the color revolutions in Ukraine, Georgia and Kyrgyzstan has come up with a useful “checklist” of some of the factors that can help a revolution to succeed,” the newspaper wrote.
It just so happens that the West does not even conceal the fact that it considers the current events in Iran as another color revolution.
It is worthy of note that UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urged the Iranian government to stop the arrests and the use of force against the protesters. He also urged the nation to respect the human rights, especially the right for freedom of speech and demonstrations.
We did not hear the concerns from the UN Secretary General during the time when the police of Georgia dispersed a mass meeting in November of 2008 or when NATO planes showered Belgrade with bombs. Now the UN seems to be showing concerns about the human rights in Iran.
Will the revolution occur? Iran is not Georgia. Western special services have no experience of successful color revolutions in clerical Islamic states. They could only raise the Taliban Movement to their own harm.
Lol remember quote from 1st star wars movie?^^
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Iran speaker accuses Obama of state terrorism.
by Aresu Eqbali – Wed Jan 13, 2:25 pm ET
AFP/File – Parliament speaker Ali Larijani, pictured in 2009, Iran's former chief nuclear negotiator, accused …
TEHRAN (AFP) – Parliament speaker Ali Larijani, Iran's former chief nuclear negotiator, on Wednesday accused US President Barack Obama of state terrorism over the killing in Tehran of a leading atomic scientist.
In an angry address to Iran's conservative-dominated parliament, Larijani reiterated Iranian charges that the US Central Intelligence Agency and Israel's Mossad were behind the scientist's death in a bombing on Tuesday.
"Such filthy actions are easy to carry out but such adventurism will do you no good," the ISNA news agency quoted Larijani as saying in reference to Obama.
"You have practically promoted acts of terrorism," he said.
Massoud Ali Mohammadi, a particle physics professor at prestigious Tehran University, was killed by a bomb strapped to a motorcycle in the capital's well-to-do northern suburbs on Tuesday.
"The action taken yesterday by the enemies of logic, justice, humanity and the Iranian people is being investigated by relevant authorities," Mottaki told reporters when asked about accusations of US and Israeli involvement.
Larijani, however, was explicit in pointing the finger of blame at the CIA and Israel's Mossad.
Similar allegations by other Iranian officials of US involvement in the attack have been dismissed out of hand by Washington.
Former Iranian presidents Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and Mohammad Khatami on Wednesday condemned the killing.
But the two politicians, who backed defeated opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi in the disputed June presidential election which saw hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad re-elected, did not blame the CIA and Israel.
Islamist students and the volunteer Basij militia also condemned the killing of Ali Mohammadi, whom they described as "a Basiji professor." Murdered Iran atomic scientist mired in mystery
In an open letter members of the victim's his family called Ali Mohammadi a man who followed the path of the supreme leader.
"We, as children and wife of the martyr Ali Mohammadi, give condolences to the caring officials of the regime, the noble people of iran, and especially the nation's academia over the martyrdom of a dedicated husband, a kind father and a Valai (supporter of the supreme leader)," the letter said.
But Ali Mohammadi's name was also reported as appearing on a list of pro-Mousavi academics.
However, according to Ali Moghara, who heads the physics faculty at Tehran University, Ali Mohammadi was just a "world famous" physicist who engaged in "no political activity."
Tuesday's rare assassination came as the government of the Islamic republic faced the most sustained period of protest since the revolution of 1979, with hundreds of thousands taking to the streets of Tehran after the election.
The opposition charges that the vote was massively rigged in Ahmadinejad's favour.
For the past seven months, the opposition has mounted anti-government protests at every opportunity, many of which have been broken up by police who have arrested hundreds of demonstrators.
The killing in broad daylight also came amid an increasingly bitter standoff between Iran and world powers over Tehran's controversial nuclear programme, which the West suspects is cover for an atomic weapons drive.
Tehran officials have repeatedly accused the United States and Israel, neither of which has ruled out a military strike to thwart Iran's nuclear programme, of seeking to foment unrest inside the country.
Larijani insisted on Wednesday that the scientist's murder would have no impact on Iran's programme.
"Now they seek to eliminate nuclear scientists. You will see that these terrorist actions will achieve nothing and the Iranian nation will safeguard its nuclear success," he said.
Last month, Iran accused the United States of seizing an Iranian scientist while he was on pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia, a claim Washington refused to comment on and that Riyadh denied.
Iran has ignored repeated UN Security Council ultimatums to suspend uranium enrichment, the sensitive process which makes nuclear fuel but in highly extended form can also produce the fissile core of an atomic bomb.
It is already under three sets of UN sanctions, and major powers are to meet in New York on Saturday to discuss proposals for a fourth.
US envoy advises sanctions boost against Iran.
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Timesofindia.indiatimes.com PTI, Mar 18, 2010, 02.09am IST
LONDON: Stepping up its preparations for a possible strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, the United States is transporting hundreds of 387 'bunker-buster' bombs to its air base on the British island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, a media report claimed on Wednesday.
The US government signed a contract in January with Superior Maritime Services to transport 10 ammunition containers to Diego Garcia from Concord, California, the Sunday Herald reported.
The shipment includes 195 smart, guided Blu-110 bombs and 192 Blu-117 900kg bombs. The key Iranian nuclear facilities are underground and both these type of bombs are effective against reinforced or underground facilities.
The US and Israel have repeatedly asserted that they do not rule out a military action to stop Iran's nuclear ambitions and that they are keeping all the options on the table.
Contract details for the shipment were posted on an international tenders' website by the US navy. "They are gearing up totally for the destruction of Iran," Dan Plesch, director of the Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy at the University of London, said.
"US bombers are ready today to destroy 10,000 targets in Iran in a few hours," Plesch, who is the co-author of a recent study on the US preparations for an attack on Iran, stressed.
The final decision on whether to launch an attack would be in the hands of US president Barack Obama. He may decide that it would be better for the US to act instead of Israel, Plesch argued.
"The US is not publicising the scale of these preparations to deter Iran, tending to make confrontation more likely,"Plesch said, adding, "The US is using its forces as part of an overall strategy of shaping Iran's actions."
Diego Garcia is a British territory about 1,000 miles south of India and Sri Lanka but is used as a US military base as part of an agreement reached in 1971.
The British ministry of defence has said in the past that the United States government would need permission to use Diego Garcia for offensive action. It has already been used for strikes against Iraq during the 1991 and 2003 Gulf wars.
About 50 British military staff are stationed on the island, with more than 3,200 US personnel. Part of the Chagos Archipelago, it lies about 1,000 miles from the southern coasts of India and Sri Lanka, well placed for missions to Iran.
The US department of defence did not respond to a request for a comment, the report carried by the Sunday Herald said.
In an interview with the German publication, Freitag, Noam Chomsky talks about U.S. pressure on Israel and Iran and its geopolitical significance. "Iran is perceived as a threat because they did not obey the orders of the United States. Militarily this threat is irrelevant. This country has not behaved aggressively beyond its borders for centuries. Israel invaded Lebanon with the blessing and help of the U.S. five times in thirty years. Iran has not done anything like this," he says.´
Barak Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 while sending more troops to Afghanistan. What happened to the "change" that was promised?
Chomsky: I am one of the few who is not disappointed with Obama because I placed no expectations on him. I wrote about Obama's positions and prospects of success before the start of his campaign. Saw your website and it was clear to me that this was a moderate Democrat in the style of Bill Clinton. There is of course a lot of rhetoric about hope and change. But this is like a blank sheet where you can write anything. Those who despaired at the recent moves of Bush sought hope. But there is no basis to expect any one time to examine properly the substance of Obama's speech.
His government has treated Iran as a threat due to its uranium enrichment program, while countries that possess nuclear weapons such as India, Pakistan and Israel did not suffer the same pressure. How do you evaluate this way of proceeding?
Chomsky: Iran is perceived as a threat because they did not obey the orders of the United States. Militarily this threat is irrelevant. This country did not act aggressively beyond its borders for centuries. The only aggressive act occurred in the '70s under the Shah's government, when, with U.S. backing, they invaded two Arab islands. Of course nobody wants Iran or any other country to have nuclear weapons. It is known that this state is governed today by a loathsome regime. But apply the same labels that are applied to Iran to partners of the U.S. such as Saudi Arabia or Egypt, and it will only be lost to Iran on human rights. Israel invaded Lebanon with the blessing and help from the U.S., five times in thirty years. Iran has not done anything like that.
In spite of that, the country is considered as a threat...
Chomsky: Because Iran has followed an independent path and not subordinate to any order of international authorities. They behaved in a manner similar to what Chile did in the seventies. When this country was ruled by the socialist Salvador Allende, it was destabilized by the U.S. to produce "stability." It was not a question of any contradiction. It was necessary to overthrow the Allende government - forcible "destabilizing" - to maintain "stability" to restore the authority of the U.S. The same phenomenon is occurring now in the Gulf region. Teheran objects to the authority of the USA.
How do you value the goal of the international community to impose severe sanctions on Tehran?
Chomsky: The international community: a curious expression. Most of the countries in the world belong to the non-aligned bloc and strongly support Iran's right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes. It has repeated often and openly that it is not considered part of the so called "international community." Obviously only those countries that follow U.S. orders belong to it. It is the U.S. and Israel threatening Iran and this threat must be taken seriously.
For what reasons?
Chomsky: Israel now has hundreds of nuclear weapons and delivery systems. Of the latter, the most dangerous comes from Germany. This country provides Dolphin nuclear submarines that are virtually invisible. They can be equipped with nuclear missiles, and Israel is prepared to move these submarines to the Gulf. Thanks to the Egyptian dictatorship, Israeli submarines may pass through the Suez Canal.
I do not know if this was reported in Germany, but about two weeks ago the U.S. Navy said it built a base for nuclear weapons on Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. There submarines equipped with nuclear missiles would be stationed, including the so-called "bunker buster." These are projectiles that can penetrate concrete walls several feet thick. They were designed exclusively for an intervention in Iran. Prominent Israeli military historian, Martin van Creveld Levi, a man clearly conservative, wrote in 2003, immediately after the invasion of Iraq, that "after the invasion the Iranians went crazy for not having developed any atomic weapon." In practical terms: is there any other way to stop an invasion? Why has the U.S. has not occupied North Korea? Because there is a deterrent. I repeat: nobody wants Iran to have nuclear weapons, but the likelihood that Iran would use nuclear weapons is minimal. This can be proved in the testing of U.S. intelligence. If Iran wanted to equip themselves with a single nuclear warhead, probably the country would be devastated. Such a fate is not to the liking of Islamic clerics in the government: until now they have not shown any suicidal impulse.
What can the European Union do to resolve the tension of this so explosive situation ?
Chomsky: It could reduce the danger of war. The EU could put pressure on India, Pakistan and Israel, the most prominent non-subscribers to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, so that they finally sign it. In October 2009, when they protested against Iran's atomic program, the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) adopted a resolution that Israel defied, that this country sign the Treaty of Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and allow access for international inspectors to its nuclear systems. Europe and the U.S. negotiated to block this resolution. Obama made Israel know immediately that it should pay no attention to this resolution.
It's interesting what has happened in Europe since the Cold War ended. Those who believed in the propaganda of the previous decades had to expect that NATO would dissolve in 1990. After all, the organization was created to protect Europe from "Russian hordes." Now they are not "Russian hordes," but the organization expands and violates all the promises it made to Gorbachev, who was naive enough to believe what President Bush and Chancellor Kohl said, namely that NATO would not move a centimeter in the direction of Eastern Europe. In the assessment of international analysts, Gorbachev believed in everything they said. It was not very wise. Today NATO has expanded to large areas of the East and follows its strategy of controlling the world's energy system, the pipelines and trade routes. Today it is a display of the power for intervention of the U.S.A. in the world. Why does Europe accept that? Because it does not put its foot down and looks facing the U.S.A.?
Although the U.S.A. intends to keep on being a military superpower, its economy virtually collapsed in 2008. Billions of dollars were lacking to rescue Wall Street. Without the money from China, the U.S. might have entered into bankruptcy.
Chomsky: There is much talk of Chinese money and it is speculated much from this fact about a power shift in the world. China could overtake the U.S.? I consider that question an expression of ideological extremism. The States are not the only actors on the world stage. To a certain extent they are important, but not absolutely. The actors, who dominate their respective States, are primarily economic: the banks and corporations. If we examine who controls the world and determines policy, we will refrain from stating a shift of world power and global workforce. China is the extreme example. These interactions occur between transnational corporations, financial institutions and the State insofar as it serves their interests. This is the only power shift, but it provides no headline.
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