Gas deal is already signed so not much the EU can do now except cry.
You must be very brave if you use the crying smilies in this context ;D
I wouldn't be so sure! Day by day the West shows to the whole world that it does not care about the papers!
What about agreements Russia has with Ukraine about its base in Crimea or about energy (gas-transport) deals? Pro-western government in Ukraine constantly tries to revise them.
Or what about the military agreements Russia has or had with the West? E.g. ABM Treaty unilaterally abandoned by USA!
The West and especially the pro-western forces in ex-communist countries openly and publicly say that accession to NATO is necessary for a country if it wants the Western capital!?! What does the NATO has to do with capital and investments? They are actually implicitly saying that they think the only way to protect an investment is installing a military base. This is in accordance with what we are witnessing in the western politics -> they do not care about international laws and other papers. More or less they care only about the force.
If Serbia falls under the western pressure over Kosovo issue then I expect that the Serbs shall be much more easily controlled and manipulated by the West over all the other (e.g. economic) issues.
In short -> if EU wants that Russia owns Serbian NIS they shall allow it. Otherwise Russia could forget the agreement. It is just a piece of paper and the West does not care about the papers. They clean their asses with papers...
It didn't stop Nato members Bulgaria and Greece to sign on for the pipeline so there is no reason Serbia will not honour the contracts. Part of Russia's military Doctrine also states that nuclear weapons will be used if Russia's economic interests are threatened.
Last Edit: Feb 4, 2008 18:12:06 GMT -5 by CHORNYVOLK
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Post by srbinizargentine on Jan 25, 2008 10:56:36 GMT -5
Russia seals $2.2B Serbia gas deal « Thread Started on Today at 5:54pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- Serbia has signed a multibillion-dollar deal that would make it a key hub for Russian energy supplies and strengthen Moscow's dominance of the European energy market.
Serbia President Boris Tadic, left, meets with Russia's Vladimir Putin at the Kremlin in Moscow.
The agreement includes building a branch of a prospective major natural gas pipeline and a huge gas storage facility in Serbia.
A separate agreement also lays the groundwork for Russia's state gas monopoly, OAO Gazprom, to acquire a controlling stake in Serbia's state oil company NIS.
"The agreements signed would make Serbia a key hub in the prospective network of Russian energy supplies to southern Europe," Russian President Vladimir Putin said after Friday's signing.
"This network will be long-lasting, reliable, highly efficient and -- what is very important -- help boost energy supplies to Serbia and the entire European continent."
The agreements, which Serbian officials have estimated as worth at least $2.2 billion, would include building a branch of the prospective South Stream natural gas pipeline in Serbia.
South Stream would run under the Black Sea from Russia to Bulgaria, from where it would branch off. The section through Serbia would carry at least 10 billion cubic meters a year, Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller said.
The 550-mile, $15 billion project undercuts the prospective United States and EU-backed Nabucco pipeline designed to ease Europe's reliance on Russia by carrying gas from the Middle East and Caspian countries other than Russia via Turkey.
Serbia President Boris Tadic said the deal would bolster his country's standing by making it a key transit country for energy supplies to Europe.
"This agreement has a huge strategic importance for Serbia," Tadic said. "It will strengthen Serbia's strategic positions in southeastern Europe, since it will serve as a transit point for gas supplies to the EU's southern flank."
Belgrade has turned increasingly away from the West and toward Russia, which has supported Serbia in the debate over independence for the province of Kosovo.
Tadic and Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica both thanked Moscow for its support on Kosovo at the start of the talks with Putin.
"Serbia very deeply respects the position of Russia on Kosovo," Tadic said at the start Friday's talks with Putin. "We will defend our interests in Kosovo, operating on the basis of international law and we will never do otherwise."
Russia has used the rift to strengthen business and diplomatic ties to Serbia, with which Moscow has historic cultural and linguistic ties.
Serbia endorsed the energy deal after Putin won Bulgaria's support last week for the South Stream project.
The terms of the deal for Gazprom to acquire a 51 percent stake in Serbia's state oil company NIS were not announced.
But Serbia's Energy Minister Aleksandar Popovic has confirmed reports that Russia offered $600 million -- just one-fifth of the company's estimated market value -- and an additional $730 million in modernizing the run-down company.
Gazprom reaches agreement on crude production in Iran
MOSCOW, February 19 (RIA Novosti) - Gazprom has reached a deal with Iranian authorities for its crude producing arm to be involved in oil production in the Islamic Republic, the Russian energy giant said Tuesday.
"The parties have agreed to jointly develop two or three sites on the South Pars gas field and for Gazprom Neft to participate in a crude-producing project in Iran," Gazprom said.
A Gazprom delegation Tuesday discussed with Iranian Petroleum Minister Gholam-Hossein Nozari "possibilities for developing cooperation between Gazprom and Iranian companies in the oil and gas sphere."
"Prospecting and development of gas and oil fields, joint operations in transporting, processing and marketing of gas were named as the key areas for interaction," Gazprom said.
Nozari said agreements will be signed within two months. "Talks will be completed within two months, and we will start signing agreements," he told journalists.
Iran's proven natural gas reserves total over 28 trillion cubic meters. In 2006, gas production in the republic was 105 billion cu m, with consumption standing at 105.1 billion cu m. Gas accounts for 53% of the country's energy balance, oil 44%, hydropower industry 2% and coal 1%.
Gazprom has been taking part in developing the South Pars field's second and third stages together with France's TotalElf and Malaysia's Petronas. The facility is operating in design mode to produce and process 20 billion cu m of gas annually.
I don't know why Russia deals with Islamic scum. If anything they should conquer and enslave the Iranians and use them for slave labor. But this is the XXI century, "never again," right? LOL
I think that it has nothing to do with Russia. It's only a business. Gazprom is making money. Money don't stink. Gazprom runs almost all the Russian foreign affairs. That's sad.
Personally I don't see anything wrong in this situation, but it is the Russian government which runs Gazprom. From 2001 Russia has been trying to regain the control over their oil companies. Thanks God they made it eventually.
From 2001 Russia has been trying to regain the control over their oil companies. Thanks God they made it eventually.
One group of people has had changed naother group. Gazprom is Russian priority in every sphere of life of society. I have nothing against this deal. That doesn't mean anything to me. All I wan to say is that a new way to control the people's mood has appeared. Our government shows us: "Take care of your credits and of your stupid children. Let us care the politics." Maybe that's good but our society became very indifferent to what is happening. I remember those meetings in 1998 when the crowd that sieged US embassy in Moscow was mad, all the cars which moved along the embassy beeped , someone even soot at the buildig from the grenade-launcher. What we see today? Nothing. A group of nationalists who care. All the other people are totally into their own business. We watch these calm indifferent reports from Belgrade. Some people even don't know what is happening in Serbia. A new kind of propaganda. We can loose everyone if it will continue.
Hey people... I mean children... don't you understand politics at least a litle bit? Some of you write comments about "Islamic scum", "sad news" etc...
But this is a good news! And it is also good that Gazprom and the Russian state regains control of all of its oil and gas fields!
And Iranian-Russian alliance and strategic partnership is also a good thing, not only for the countries but also for the whole world, since it helps the collapse of the Evil Empire.
The reason why I posted this thread is to make fun with the comic noise recently coming from the West that Russia allegedly "has again failed in Kosovo", "Russia has no guts" etc... Such rubbish is for little children!
If the Westerners think that "Russia is weak" and "Russia has failed" etc... why don't they free Georgia or Moldavia??? They just bark for the last 15 years and have no guts!
The point is, as I wrote a couple of times here -> there are many, many indications that the Americans tried to bargain with Russia over Kosovo and Iran. But it is good that Russia rejected such proposals! It is good for Russia, it is good for Serbia too!
Why it is good even for Serbia? Because if the Yanks saw that Russia was too emotional for Serbia they could find another excuse and bomb Serbia again (or maybe even try to nullify the Serb republic in Bosnia) and use yet another occupied Serbian province in another blackmail bargain.
By rejecting such proposals Russia send the clear message that it shall not bargain with anything the West took illegally!
Russia could help Serbia by selling it arms, but prior to that Serbia has to recover mentally since currently Serbia's spiritually sick and completely destroyed by the pro-Western media and pro-western NGO's and pro-western parties in Serbia.
My intention was to show that the West shall not achieve what it intended at first place -> they shall not be allowed to use the occupied provinces throughout the world for later bargains with Russia or China!
Regarding your comments about Islam, Slavs should be in good relations with Islamic peoples! Conflict between Serbs and some Islamic peoples in the Balkans is not a religious conflict but instead an ethnic one!
Strong Iran is good for all the righteous and just people!
I read that Iranian president congratulated Serbian nationalist Tomislav Nikolich, who is demonized in the western press, when he was elected for president of the Serbian parliament (but this was revoked due to the pressure from the West).
Both Slavs and oppressed, humiliated and exploited Muslim people in the Middle East have the same enemy -> the West. Therefore Slavs and Muslims should stick together!
Russia had over 40 billion in oil contracts in Iraq before the US attacked .How many do they have now? Same thing could happen in Iran.
Nope! That's not going to happen!
Iranians have learned a lot from Serbian and Iraqi episodes! This time atoms and rockets (rockets which today can carry even Iranian satellites into orbits) shall protect Iran! The West can only bark to the Moon!
TsarSamuil: Medicines aren't allowed to be sold on the market without a 15 year trial period, to determine short n long term effects. Sputnik just turned 1 year, others not even that, just months, how can we determine long term effects without the data from long term
Aug 24, 2021 11:22:20 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: exposure? Does anyone have a time machine to go 14 years or so into the future n come back n say whether we have good vaccines? Fear makes world abandon its own standards..Besides, vaccines for other illnesses that have been developed for YEARS actually
Aug 24, 2021 11:23:40 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: help. These covid vaccines are literally SHIT, why else do they demand you take 1, 2 n now 3 shots? The problem is also a disease becomes resilient if u administer a weak vaccine that doesn't do the job proper. Allow illness to survive just makes it strong
Aug 24, 2021 11:25:04 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: instead if we go by the book, we should all wait for a really good vaccine to take out the illness for good. Now...we may never get rid of it..but understandably the world economy has a hard time dealing with lock downs, but that is just needless panic
Aug 24, 2021 11:27:06 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: why Swe had fared well with country not being locked down? Because they are cold people, keeping distance was the thing before covid-19 was ever heard of, I hope world doesn't become like that, but some could use a little common sense n change in behavior.
Aug 24, 2021 11:29:12 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: It's no wonder covid hits so many Arabs in the country, stupid bastards..
Aug 24, 2021 11:29:38 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: If I go to H&M a new shirt, if an Arab wants to buy a pair of pants, not only is his whole family along, his friends, even his freaking grandmother is along n all chattering along in a big dumb group of ignorance..
Aug 24, 2021 11:33:05 GMT -5
Boro: Thx for the response. I'm not sure... It seems the vaccines work, at least people aren't dying of Covid. Those who get ill have a problem, it's not "just a flu". Maybe it's from a chinese laboratory, who knows...
Aug 24, 2021 13:46:55 GMT -5
Boro: I agree regarding Arabs..
Aug 24, 2021 13:50:39 GMT -5
Boro: Be glad, Sweden isn't overpopulated.
Aug 24, 2021 14:11:49 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: true, vaccines do help somewhat, maybe better than nothing..I hope in 2022 we can come out of this nightmare..
Aug 24, 2021 15:38:24 GMT -5
Boro: Horrible times, indeed.
Aug 24, 2021 15:47:41 GMT -5