TheGoddess
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Post by TheGoddess on Dec 10, 2007 13:49:11 GMT -5
Does saying the admins should ban someone, just because you cant deal with criticism, deserve respect? There is a difference between constructive criticism and flaming, little one. |
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Post by jaropolk on Dec 10, 2007 14:29:58 GMT -5
Except you are the one who's trying to act like an expert, making super smart hypotheses. Tell you what, just because you know a couple of words in a language that happen to be loan words or of foreign origin does not mean that the language is the least pure Slavic language. You would need to know the etymology and all the Slavic languages to make such a stupid generalisation. Besides, what exactly were you trying to prove? Almost all languages are under the influence of especially the neighbouring languages that surround them. New words join the official language a lot of the time and neologisms are formed, old words become archaic and get replaced losing their frequency, loan words are used and taken over from other languages where they had been in common use. So what exactly were you trying to prove. It sounded like " Oh, you're less Slavic because your language is less pure than mine! Ha, gotcha!" Says the linguist and does a little happy dance. BUT AT THE WHAT SLAVIC LANGUAGE HAS PERCENTUALLY MOST LOAN WORDS? You know the answer. And yes,== Oh, you're less Slavic because your language is less pure than mine!==is exactly what im saying. And i say its a shame that the Slavic languages ,AND some of them more than others, are not selfsufficient( and with the "who cares" and the "Its not as important as you picture it" attitude they never will be, nor the Slavic Race) |
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daver2
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Post by daver2 on Dec 10, 2007 14:38:15 GMT -5
Okie you self-claiming cognoscente of languages. This is all off-topic. Go to Let's compare our languages by the TheGoddess and show off there.
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TheGoddess
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Post by TheGoddess on Dec 10, 2007 14:46:28 GMT -5
BUT AT THE WHAT SLAVIC LANGUAGE HAS PERCENTUALLY MOST LOAN WORDS? You know the answer. And yes,== Oh, you're less Slavic because your language is less pure than mine!==is exactly what im saying. And i say its a shame that the Slavic languages ,AND some of them more than others, are not selfsufficient( and with the "who cares" and the "Its not as important as you picture it" attitude they never will be, nor the Slavic Race) Wow, that is a very shallow point of view. So according to you, Mr. Know-it-All, answer to us, the unaware, whose language is the purest and who is the most Slavic of all because of that? I'm really interested. Mirror, mirror, on the wall... |
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TheGoddess
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Post by TheGoddess on Dec 10, 2007 14:59:20 GMT -5
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Post by medo on Dec 10, 2007 15:00:13 GMT -5
By carefully reading all the posts here I think that jaropolk, vara and ярад were the only ones providing some concrete proofs, concrete argumentation and mature objectivity, instead of childish emotions that many others has shown here. They provided links, concrete words, concrete historical events/persons/processes etc...
Most of us are no experts in linguistics, however although we are not experts we can see if one has some arguments or not.
Therefore I appeal to people to give us some proofs, argumentation instead of saying only: "I know Russian and there is many French words in Russian" giving us no examples, no citations, no proofs and asking for translation when a sentence in Russian appears.
If we do not have any arguments we cannot ask for moderators to ban other people just because they have arguments for their standpoints we do not like...
P.S. By saying that e.g. jaropolk's argumentation is convincing does not mean that I think that Polish is the least Slavic language. I am just saying that I haven't heard any other contra argumentation (unless one thinks that "Poles killed many Germans" is some sort of argument).
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TheGoddess
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Post by TheGoddess on Dec 10, 2007 15:04:31 GMT -5
In the link above, you have a lot of examples, sir.
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Post by Alexandrus on Dec 10, 2007 15:06:32 GMT -5
And Jaropolks comments aren't ? His argument is ridiculous. He claims that polish is the less slavic language because he found some loan words in it ? Oh yeah, nice one, really good way to prove that poles aren't slavs  . |
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TheGoddess
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Post by TheGoddess on Dec 10, 2007 15:07:13 GMT -5
And Jaropolks comments aren't ? His argument is ridiculous. He claims that polish is the less slavic language because he found some loan words in it ? Oh yeah, nice one, really good way to prove that poles aren't slavs . Pretty much exactly what I thought, to sum it up. |
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Post by medo on Dec 10, 2007 15:10:31 GMT -5
what are you on about man, are you saying that now Poles are less Poles becuase they use these words, if they went on to slaughter as many germans as could one day in rampage but still use some certain words you would still say they are not as Slavic..... maybe things could be changed but to behonest Polish sounds ok to me, still reconisable as a slavic language..... Language is impotant use but until Poles are actually speaking german only in dont see your point..... Even a child wants to draw its own picture, not to copy someone elses. There really is no golden midway here. No compromises. This is what nationalism is about. Going through till the end. Very well said jaropolk! I couldn't agree more! |
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krzysiek
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Post by krzysiek on Dec 10, 2007 15:20:17 GMT -5
I would most politely ask you to retract your statement. If Poland is the "black sheep" (your words, sir, not mine), it is due to its past actions against the subject populations under its rule (ie. the Brest Unia, the murder of Patriarch St Germogen, and the False Dmitri, to name a few). The fact is, Poland must decide whether it is Slavic or Western. At present, the Polish government is (unfortunately) a lickspittle for US policy. Poland does not have to decide anything. It is Slavic and nothing is gonna change it. Unfortunately due to its geopolitical location between Russia and Germany we cannot stay neutral like some other countries in Europe, but are forced to take sides in order to maintain our identity. Hell, had we not alied with Germany in WWI we may have not regained our lands till today. Russia has done it's fair share of attrocities to Poles, some of them during the WW2, which you obviously don't regard as part of Russian history since it was under Soviet Union and Russia was just a part of this Union. Russia was a leading member of this Union if you ask me. And blaming everything on the Jews does not convince me either. First you say that my comments are "overblown", and then you say that it wouldn't be such a bad thing.  So basically you admit here that you see Russia as a leader of the Slavic nations (which was backed by one of the polls on this forum before) and therefore my theory from the previous post is not overblown. That is the Union you are looking for - "one whole" state under the Putin's rule. Dream on.... I as a Pole don't have to decide anything, and especially not between"Putin and the West". For me Putin is another power hungry head of Russian Federation. I think Poland already made a choice by joining NATO and the EU. As simple as that. |
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Post by jaropolk on Dec 10, 2007 15:25:11 GMT -5
And Jaropolks comments aren't ? His argument is ridiculous. He claims that polish is the less slavic language because he found some loan words in it ? Oh yeah, nice one, really good way to prove that poles aren't slavs . Look i am really highly extremely intrested in languages. I know Latin, French and Dutch, and I am always attentive to everything what language is. I never said that Russian is pure. I am just saying we all got to have some pride and ban the strangers from our language, and Poles have more work to do than others. |
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Post by medo on Dec 10, 2007 15:34:45 GMT -5
YOU JUST COULDNT BE WRONGER. LANGUAGE IS EVERYTHING A NATION HAS! IF WE DONT SPEAK THE LANGUAGE, WHAT POINT IS THERE MAKING A SLAVIC FORUM? THROUGH WHAT BESIDES LANGUAGE ARE THE SLAVS CONNECTED? BLOOD? LANGUAGE IS CRUCIAL. IT DETERMINS THE WHOLE WAY OF THINKING. LOOK AT THE ENGLISH, THE LIVED IN CONDITIONS VERY SIMILAR TO OTHER GERMANIC PEOPLES IN THE MIDDLEAGES, BUT BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE THEY ARE OUTSIDERS OF ALL GERMANS NOW. You will be surprised how gentically Russians and Poles are close. There was a topic on the forum a long time ago, search the forums. Unfortunately genes did not help us much in our common Slavic history, did they? Take for example the 20th century in the Balkans, or killing between Poles and Ukrainians. Genetic similarity didn't help Czechs when Poles invaded Czechoslovakia together with (actually a little bit afterwards) Hitler. Genetic similarity with Russians won't help Poles to realize that American rockets are aimed at their own existence and their own future, neither it shall help western Ukrainians to realize that their future is not in EU/NATO but instead in strong political/economical/military ties with Mother Russia. I think that genetic origins are important but what is pointed by jaropolk is that language, culture, religion in one word spiritual bonds are much, much stronger and that is after all this is what binds people of the same nation together. |
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daver2
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Post by daver2 on Dec 10, 2007 15:36:16 GMT -5
And Jaropolks comments aren't ? His argument is ridiculous. He claims that polish is the less slavic language because he found some loan words in it ? Oh yeah, nice one, really good way to prove that poles aren't slavs . Look i am really highly extremely intrested in languages. I know Latin, French and Dutch, and I am always attentive to everything what language is. I never said that Russian is pure. I am just saying we all got to have some pride and ban the strangers from our language, and Poles have more work to do than others. I would like to see you banned because of your bad language, your personal opinions have nothing to do with this matter. |
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Post by jaropolk on Dec 10, 2007 15:56:24 GMT -5
Look i am really highly extremely intrested in languages. I know Latin, French and Dutch, and I am always attentive to everything what language is. I never said that Russian is pure. I am just saying we all got to have some pride and ban the strangers from our language, and Poles have more work to do than others. I would like to see you banned because of your bad language, your personal opinions have nothing to do with this matter. I admit I exagerated, caught up in the emotion. However whats wrong with some strong language? The way you can express every thought using three words  |
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Not to mention, being a repetition of the Bush-Rice line, I would say! Any further expansion of the present RF would lead to a society similar to pre-1914 Russia, which would not be a bad thing. I should say that Orthodox Russia treated Catholics better than Catholic Poland treated Orthodox! For instance, in 1914 (based on my grandfather's diaries), the commanders of the Kadetsky Korpus in Petersburg were the Lutheran Finnlander (that is, a Swede resident in Finland) General Mannerheim and the Catholic Pole General Poniatowski. The Catholic Church had a legal existence, quite unlike the situation for Orthodox in pre-partition Poland.
