Kaczynski plane crash explained: Full minute-by-minute reconstruction.
RussiaToday | January 12, 2011
Inexperienced crew members, a lack of bad-weather readiness, pressure from passengers to land quickly and the pilots' refusal to look for an alternative landing site. Those are listed as the main reasons behind April's deadly crash which killed Polish President Lech Kaczynski. The investigative committee has presented its final report on the accident's causes to Poland.
Post by TsarSamuil on Jan 13, 2011 12:34:20 GMT -5
Criticism of probe into Kaczynski plane crash 'unethical' - Lavrov.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov hit out on Thursday at criticism of the investigation into the plane crash that killed then Polish President Lech Kaczynski in April 2010.
Kaczynski and 95 other Polish dignitaries were killed when their plane crashed near the western Russian city of Smolensk on April 10.
"I won't discuss any concrete statements," Lavrov said when asked about Polish criticism of the report, "but I would stress that I consider speculation on this theme unethical."
A team of investigators from the Interstate Aviation Committee (MAK) said in a report released on Wednesday that pilot error was the main cause of the deadly crash.
MAK head Tatyana Anodina listed a number of mistakes that could have contributed to the disaster, including the crew's decision not to land at another airport despite being informed of unfavorable weather conditions at their destination.
Polish experts said they were dissatisfied with the documents provided by Russia.
Lavrov also rebuked Polish media for describing the MAK probe as carried out only by Russia and emphasized that the organization is a recognized and trusted international body.
Post by TsarSamuil on Jan 17, 2011 18:38:25 GMT -5
Former FM Fotyga: are these tears, or spit on our faces?
Thenews.pl 17.01.2011 12:16
A former foreign minister of Poland has reacted to what she says is the humiliation that Poland has been subject to after the Russian report into the Smolensk air disaster, which blamed pilot error for the crash that killed President Kaczynski last April.
Referring to Prime Minister Donald Tusk as “Russia’s lackey” former head of diplomacy in the Law and Justice government (May 2006 – Nov 2007) Anna Fotyga has written on her party’s web site: “Today, our faces are wet. Is it tears or has someone spat in our face?”
Fotyga refers to Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov when she writes: “A lower ranking official of a foreign country gave orders to the Polish PM before the eyes of the whole world and the Polish PM obeyed them […].”
Following the publication of the report by Russia’s Interstate Aviation Committee (MAK) into the Smolensk disaster last week, Foreign Minister Lavrov referred to speculation and conspiracy theories as to the cause of the crash last year as “unethical”.
Fotyga appears to accuse Prime Minister Tusk of appearing in the media minutes after the statement and agreeing with the Russian foreign minister, when, she says, Tusk referred to the speculation as “a sin”.
“Today, our faces are wet. Is it tears or has someone spit in our face?” asks Fotyga, alluding to Poles having been disgraced by Russians.
Fotyga also writes that in his statement concerning the Russian report on the Smolensk air disaster PM Donald Tusk “again, indirectly discredited the bravest Polish president [i.e. Lech Kaczynski].”
Fotyga criticised the presentation of the Smolensk report by the Russian Interstate Aviation Committee as “a staged show” and “a large-scale disinformation campaign which slanders Poland.”
Anna Fotyga concludes: “What kind of words should one use to make Poles understand how dangerous the present situation is? It’s time to wake up. Fear and helplessness lead to tragedies.”
Alternative theories continue to emerge, however, into the cause of the crash which killed many top politicians from the Law and Justice party in western Russia.
Lawyer Marcin Dubieniecki, husband of Marta Kaczynska, the daughter of the late President Lech Kaczynski, claims that the crash was not the result of pilot error or an accident.
“We are close to having information that [it was an assassination]. It’s not speculation,” says Dubieniecki.
“The potential victory of Lech Kaczynski in presidential elections, revenge for [his support for] Georgia [in its war with Russia] and policy towards the EU might have been reasons why Russia would like to assassinate President Lech Kaczynski,” says Dubieniecki.
“Each nation has its symbols. One of them is a president. We all know what our president’s eastern policy was,” added Dubieniecki, who claims that Marta Kaczynska shares his opinion.
According to Dubieniecki, Arkadiusz Protasiuk, the pilot of the doomed Tu-154, did not want to land at Severny airport near Smolensk on 10 April “at any price”, as the Russian Interstate Aviation Committee maintains in its report, but tried to redirect the plane to another landing spot.
Dubieniecki’s opinion is based, he claims, on the findings of the Polish Central Criminal Laboratory. (pg/mg)
Gareth 17/01/2011 12:47:02 I don't really understand why there was a need to assassinate President Kaczynski. He wasn't going to be President much longer and as the opinion polls put him out of the running. Therefore, the 'politics' President K followed would no longer be adhered to. Would Russia sacrifice all those people for one man in today's modern world? I don't think so.
It seems that there is far too much 'politics' attached to a very tragic disaster.
Pioro 17/01/2011 14:00:48 ummm Ms. Fotyga, please refer to the following article on what should have occurred to last April:
Roger 17/01/2011 16:55:28 it seems Law and Justice's just trying to get political bonuses again from this tragedy. It is you, Mrs Fotyga, who is biased, not Tusk. His approach is pretty well-weighted, while yours is based on "oh those devilish Russians" fears.
Khkmj 17/01/2011 17:42:25 This is the former diplomacy minister? She is as much a wide eyed loony as her former boss. It was a tragic accident, no conspiracy, no assaination. Get over it and move on.
Real friend of Poland 17/01/2011 19:23:34 Fotyga was a disastrous Foreign Minister, derided at home and laughed at abroad. She has no real grasp of the relationship between countries. Smolensk was a human tragedy, not an opportunity to revive her failed political career. No, Europe will not allow lunatics like her to bounce Europe into a war with Russia. These extremities will result in Poland being isolated and abandoned, again.
Real friend of Poland 17/01/2011 19:27:59 Being a lawyor, Dubieniecki should know that it is necessary to FIRST produce the evidence before you engage in slander. The "we have a file" approach to politics is so a la Kaczynski. Show of the evidence that the Tusk government and the civil administration were complicit in mass murder, including heroic members of solidarity and politicians of all shades of opinion. It is time we started ridiculing these people.
arnoldus 17/01/2011 19:35:08 Why do so many Poles turn a blind eye to the motive for striking down the Polish aircraft at Smolensk? On that plane were the pantheon of Putin's Polish enemies whom he identified, correctly, as strong obstacles to his expansionist policies. Divide and'fool',trademark of Putin, is a mask for mischief, malice and murder (witness Georgia, Chechenya, Ukraine etc.) As weather worsened at Smolensk Putin saw his chance-undreampt of-and struck. What of the looting, post crash video, all quietly forgotten? You can not reason with evil,only fight
Antifa 17/01/2011 21:05:23 Arnoldus, if you had an IQ to match your shoe size you'd realize that if Putin wished for a weak, poor, divided Poland, he would have done everything possible to make sure that the buffoonish Kaczynskis stayed in power as long as possible. People like Fotyga and Dubiniecki couldn't possibly do more damage to the image of Poland if they were paid Russian agents.
Post by TsarSamuil on Jan 21, 2011 17:00:52 GMT -5
Experts reject criticism of Russian probe into Kaczynski crash.
The investigation into the plane crash in western Russia that killed the Polish president was a thorough and transparent probe that drew the correct conclusions, pilots and flight safety experts say.
The Russia-based Interstate Aviation Committee (MAK) laid the blame for the April 2010 crash of the Polish Air Force Tu-154 that was carrying President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others squarely on the Polish side, and politicians in Poland have since lined up to try to pin blame elsewhere.
"It was an extremely good report - they [MAK] are very thorough people," said David Learmount, the safety and operations editor for Flight International magazine and a former flying instructor in Britain's Royal Air Force.
The report, which has been translated into English, sets out the reasons for the crash in minute detail. While it is a complex brief for a layman, the main causes of the crash are clear enough: A flight crew, for whatever reason, pressed on beyond any safe limit with a non-standard approach in visibility so poor they had to rely totally on the cockpit instruments.
The reaction to the report from some Polish politicians has been emotional, and several have denounced it as one-sided or a cover-up.
Interior Minister Jerzy Miller said it was inappropriate of the report to speculate on what Polish Air Force chief Andrzej Blasik was doing onboard and whether his presence might or might not have affected the crew.
The MAK report asserted that Gen. Blasik's presence in the cockpit was a strong contributory factor to the crash and that it "had a psychological impact on the crewmembers and influenced their decision to land in any conditions."
"We were surprised by the mention of Gen. Blasik's name because it is a passenger's name. In cases like that passengers are not subject to the kind of analysis that was conducted and made public by the Russians," Miller said.
Blasik was in the cockpit at the time of the crash, however, despite having no reasonable business being there. (The MAK report describes him as "an unauthorized person in the cockpit.")
"I'm convinced that our [Polish] side is to blame for most causes of the Smolensk disaster," Poland's special envoy to MAK, Edmund Klich, said in an interview with Poland's TVN24 channel. "Any faults on the part of Russia should be ruled out."
Klich said crash was caused by "faults in the pilots' training."
"A good crew of a serviceable plane - and we have no information that the Tu-154 experienced technical problems - just won't perform a landing in that manner. Even if that was what the air traffic control instructed them to do," he said.
Perhaps the single biggest factor in the crash was that the Polish crew was not even flying a recognized instrument approach in coordination with the Russian air traffic controllers. They were using their flight management system to bring them to the airfield - a type of approach allowed at certain airfields, but not at this one, and it was certainly not agreed with air traffic control, says Learmount.
Writing on his blog last week, Learmount said:
"The Smolensk air traffic controllers did all they could to prevent this accident, given that the Polish crew were clearly operating autonomously, conducting their own Flight Management System letdown and not requesting any help.
Several airline pilots who spoke to RIA Novosti broadly agreed with his conclusions.
"There were plenty of opportunities to avoid the holes in the cheese lining up," said Andy Birt, an ex-Royal Navy pilot now flying for a charter airline in Britain. "If the only thing they did was to react accordingly to the terrain warning they would all still be here now."
He notes that there was "a total lack of pre-flight preparation. This was an unfamiliar airfield with a basic approach aid and weather so poor that only a Cat3 Auto-land equipped aircraft and airfield would result in a safe landing."
Birt agrees with Learmount that a lack of crew cooperation, caused by the pilot speaking Russian to air traffic and Polish to the other crew, was a significant factor.
"Only the captain who was flying could speak Russian, which apart from increasing his workload dramatically, meant that the crew was now out of the loop. And there was no brief [before the approach], so how could the crew know what to expect?" Birt says, adding that this meant the copilot could not tell the captain "you must listen, this is not safe."
Another British airline pilot, Alan, who asked for his surname not be disclosed for contractual reasons, says that although the Russian air traffic controllers' actions were not perfect, this did not significantly contribute to the accident.
"The air traffic controller asks the pilot 'have you ever landed at a military airfield?' - a completely irrelevant question," he says. "And the controller should have been more decisive and stated that the airfield was closed due to the weather."
Learmount maintains the controllers are clear of blame, as they could not order a foreign-registered aircraft to land elsewhere, and the Polish pilot had taken the situation into his own hands.
"The controllers couldn't stop him," he says. "Ultimately it was down to the crew."
MOSCOW, January 21(Howard Gethin, RIA Novosti)
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Post by TsarSamuil on Feb 18, 2011 14:13:59 GMT -5
"Gurevich said the investigation would finish only when each side has no more questions for the other."
Maybe in the year 2300.
Russian investigators back MAK on Polish president's plane crash.
A second investigation into the plane crash in western Russia that killed Polish President Lech Kaczynski said on Friday it had no evidence that would contradict the first probe's conclusion that the Polish pilots were to blame.
Earlier in February, Polish military prosecutors in Moscow questioned two Russian air traffic controllers from the airport where Kaczynski's plane crashed and said they planned to interview more witnesses as they believe that the pilots were not given vital information on weather and other conditions as they approached the airport.
Russia's Investigative Committee said on Friday it has no evidence to refute the Moscow-based CIS International Aviation Committee (MAK) report on causes of the crash.
MAK released a report on January 12, citing pilot error as the main cause of the tragedy. Polish experts and officials have criticized the report, saying it did not consider all the evidence.
The investigator leading the Russian probe into the accident said the investigation is currently at its final stage.
"I do not specify a time frame, but such a stage has come," Mikhail Gurevich said.
Gurevich said the investigation would finish only when each side has no more questions for the other.
The Polish Interior Ministry has said it will delay the release of a report on the causes of the plane crash until late March.
Lech Kaczynski, his wife and dozens of high-ranking Polish officials were killed on April 10, 2010, when their Tu-154 plane crashed near the Russian city of Smolensk while landing in thick fog.
The late president's twin brother, Polish opposition leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski, has blamed Russia for the tragedy.
Post by TsarSamuil on Feb 21, 2011 18:08:03 GMT -5
Polish foreign minister admits mistake by crashed plane crew.
The crew of crashed Polish presidential plane clearly made a mistake when they tried to land in dangerous weather conditions, Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said.
"Polish pilots clearly made a mistake, now matter how many times we deny it – they should not have landed in fog," Sikorski said.
Then president Lech Kaczynski, his wife and dozens of high-ranking Polish officials were killed on April 10, 2010, when their Tu-154 plane crashed near the Russian city of Smolensk.
Moscow-based CIS International Aviation Committee (MAK) released a report on January 12, citing pilot error as the main cause of the tragedy. Polish experts and officials have criticized the report, saying it did not consider all the evidence.
The late president's twin brother criticized the pilot error version, saying that it "tarnishes Poland's reputation" and "offends Polish nationals."
Polish investigators will deliver their own report in late March.
"Russians should be grateful if the Polish report demonstrates that the work of Russian air traffic requires changes. Russians are interested in making their flights safe," the foreign minister said.
"We have common interests. Problems begin when politics begins to interfere," he added.
Post by TsarSamuil on Feb 25, 2011 17:03:04 GMT -5
Polish Air Force chief, presidential plane captain argued over Smolensk weather - TV.
The Polish Air Force chief and the commander of the presidential plane that crashed in western Russia last April quarreled over weather conditions at the plane's destination airport before takeoff, the TVN24 channel said on Friday.
The Tu-154 plane carried then Polish President Kaczynski and other senior Polish officials to a ceremony to honor Polish officers killed by Soviet secret police in 1940.
The Polish channel said video footage from an airport surveillance camera shows Gen. Andrzej Blasik and captain Arkadiusz Protasiuk having a heated argument. Protasiuk reportedly refused to fly to the western Russian city of Smolensk as he had no precise information about the weather conditions there.
Later that day, the captain refused to welcome then President Lech Kaczynski at the plane's ramp. Instead, Kaczynski was greeted by Blasik.
The footage is being studied by a Polish investigative commission led by Interior Minister Jerzy Miller. The country's prosecutors will also examine the video.
Russia's aviation authorities released a report in early 2011 citing pilot error as the main cause of the tragedy. Polish experts and officials criticized the report, claiming it lacked evidence.
Polish investigators are to deliver their own report on the causes of the crash in late March.
Post by TsarSamuil on Jun 27, 2011 18:06:56 GMT -5
Polish Premier Tusk receives final report on Kaczynski plane crash.
WARSAW, June 27 (RIA Novosti)
A Polish investigation commission has submitted to Prime Minister Donald Tusk a final report on the circumstances of the Tu-154 plane crash that killed Polish President Lech Kaczynski last year, Polish media said on Monday.
The commission said that the report would be simultaneously translated into English and Russian.
Tusk earlier said that the report would be published without any changes as soon as it is translated.
Polish investigators have conducted three test flights of another presidential Tu-154 airliner to scrutinize the last seconds of the flight, including whether the pilots had a chance to pull the plane up and if they could have gone around the landing site a second time.
On April 10, 2010, the Polish president's plane crashed in heavy fog as it attempted to land at an airfield near the western Russian city of Smolensk.
The presidential delegation was flying to Smolensk to mark the 70th anniversary of the 1940 Katyn massacre of thousands of Polish officers by Soviet secret police. Then Polish President Lech Kaczynski, his wife and a host of other top officials on board were killed.
The Russia-based Interstate Aviation Committee (MAK), along with leading flight safety experts, laid the blame for the crash on the Polish crew. Polish politicians denounced the report, saying it was one-sided or a cover-up.
Smolensk report blames both Russian and Polish sides for disaster.
TheNews.pl 29.07.2011 12:05
Interior Minister Jerzy Miller presented the long-awaited findings of Poland’s investigation into the 10 April Smolensk air disaster, Friday morning, pointing the blame at both Russian and Polish preparations for the doomed TU-154 flight which killed President Kaczynski and many of Poland’s political elite and military top brass.
Poor cooperation between crew members, inadequate knowledge of the landing area and poor supervision and training were all factors that led to the disaster on 10 April last year, said Interior Minister Jerzy Milller this morning.
According to the long-awaited report, factors which led up to the air crash on a foggy morning in western Russia included:
- inappropriate cooperation between crew members caused an excessive workload for the commander of the aircraft in the last phase of flight; - inadequate preparation by flight crew before take off; - crew members insufficient knowledge of aircraft systems and their limitations; - failure of monitoring activities by crew members and a lack of reaction to mistakes; - incorrect selection of crew to carry out scheduled tasks.
The document also says that weather reports from the Smolensk air field were not available to pilots before take off.
Although the appalling weather conditions were of paramount importance – as had been stressed since the immediate aftermath of the crash – several factors contributed to the crash.
Errors by Russian staff at the control towers in Smolensk were also cited. It was also confirmed that only one member of the Polish flight crew spoke passable Russian.
The existence of explosives on board the doomed airplane - as had been speculated in some press reports – was categorically ruled out by the Polish investigators.
Minister Miller said that no pressure was put on to the pilots to land from the Polish side, as had also been speculated.
The investigators also insisted that it was not because a tree was too high that the plane crashed, but rather that the craft should not have been flying at the height it was at, at the time of collision.
“The aircraft was fully operational until the collision with a tree, resulting in the destruction of the left wing. No one intervened in the operation of the flight - whether by means of explosives, chemical or toxic substances. Also, there was no pressure exerted on the crew to land,” said Miller.
Miller also said that commands coming from air traffic control misled the pilots.
“The calming commands of the controller: 'you're on course, you're on path,'” were faulty," the minister said.
As Minister Miller delivered the conclusions of the report - which has taken over one year to complete and published six months after the Russians released their findings – the document was simultaneously published in Russian and English.
The report was written by 34 members of the investigating committee, which included specialist lawyers in international aviation law, active airline pilots and experts in air transport safety.
The Polish government says that their findings offer a more rounded picture of the events which led up to the tragedy than the Russian Interstate Aviation Committee’s (MAK) report, which Prime Minister Donald Tusk called “incomplete’. (pg/nh)
Post by TsarSamuil on Jul 29, 2011 14:27:56 GMT -5
Polish report on plane crash may smooth ties with Russia - Polish PM.
19:33 29/07/2011 WARSAW, July 29 (RIA Novosti)
Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the final report released on Friday on the plane crash that killed Polish President Lech Kaczynski last year may become a basis for good relations between Russia and Poland.
Poland released its final report on the plane crash suggesting that both the Polish flight crew and Russian air traffic controllers were at fault.
"I confidently said that good relations can only rely on the truth," Tusk said. "Our relationship may be even better. We are ready to build good relations, but not for the price of truth. The Polish report does not attempt to throw the blame on someone and does not shy away from the Polish responsibility. It can be the basis for good relations with Russia in this context."
On April 10, 2010, the Polish president's Tu-154 plane crashed in heavy fog as it attempted to land at an airfield near the western Russian city of Smolensk. The presidential delegation was flying to Smolensk to mark the 70th anniversary of the 1940 Katyn massacre of thousands of Polish officers by Soviet secret police. Then Polish President Lech Kaczynski, his wife and a host of other top officials on board were killed.
The authors of the report were quick to stress however that they had not sought to "attribute blame" for the crash, but rather to establish the reasons for the disaster, in which 96 people died. The probe into the crash has been a source of tensions between Russia and Poland.
The Russia-based Interstate Aviation Committee (MAK) said a significant part of the findings of the Polish report match MAK's, but some parts are still unclear. The committee said it will later comment on the report.
It added that the crew "was under some pressure due to the high profile nature of the flight."
The Polish report said erroneous commands given by a Russian traffic controller and the inadequate training of Polish crew were also likely to have been among the causes of the crash. It highlighted the fact that the pilot was too late in aborting his first attempt to land.
The Polish commission also stated that the Russian controller responsible for the air traffic zone had little experience.
The report also cites other reasons such as that the aircraft's Terrain Warning Approach System (TAWS) was not ready for the flight and that the Russian air traffic controller at Smolensk gave the crew incorrect information about the aircraft's position on the approach.
MAK, along with leading flight safety experts, laid the blame for the crash on the Polish crew. Polish politicians denounced the report, saying it was one-sided or a cover-up.
Moscow and Warsaw agree on Kaczynski flight tragedy causes.
RT.com 2 August, 2011, 18:58
Moscow and Warsaw agree that pilot error was the main reason behind the plane crash that killed Polish President Lech Kazcynski and much of the country's political elite in April 2010. However, the results of two investigations differ in the details.
Following the release of Poland's report on the causes of the tragedy that took place in Russia last year, the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) has underlined that their report also considered pilot error to be the main reason of the crash.
"According to the technical commission, the immediate cause of the crash was the failure by the crew to make a timely decision about the diversion to an alternate airfield, when being repeatedly informed in a timely manner about actual weather conditions at the Smolensk-Severny airfield, which were significantly worse than the minimum requirements set for this airfield," the IAC’s technical commission chairman, Aleksey Morozov said.
Poland previously challenged the findings of the committee that the plane crashed after pilots ignored warnings from Russian air traffic controllers.
Moreover, the IAC report has revealed that "due to the working necessity” the crew of the presidential plane was replaced a day before the flight, while the Polish report only acknowledged that the training of the pilots was poorly conducted and did not meet requirements.
"This flight was indeed due to be performed by a different crew. The crew was replaced. Such information was obtained by us from the regiment leader. And this crew was formed literally a day before," Morozov said.
Poland's report also highlighted various technical issues at the airport, but according to IAC experts, these did not have a bearing on the crash.
"The technical commission was not trying to hide the flaws of the airfield and its equipment, which are reflected in much detail in the final report,” Morozov said. “However, according to the technical commission and independent experts, the flaws pertaining to the airfield infrastructure, the condition and technical level of the radio, and light and signal equipment, ground objective control systems, did not contribute to the crash."
The IAC also pointed to psychological pressure placed on the flight crew by Polish officials during the landing phase of the flight, which is proved by the black box recordings. Although the Polish report states there was no pressure put on the pilots of Polish Air One.
"Flight experts and aviation psychologists concluded that the presence of the Republic of Poland Air Force commander-in-chief in the cockpit up until the moment of the impact, as well as a number of other factors, put psychological pressure on the aircraft commander,” Morozov said.
The tragic death of President Lech Kaczynski along with much of the Poland's political elite became a burning issue between Russia and Poland, with a number of competing accusations and conspiracy theories set forward during the investigation period.
Kaczynski’s plane crashed on April 10, 2010, while heading to Smolensk to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the Katyn Massacre. The crash killed all 96 passengers and crew on board the plane.
Post by TsarSamuil on Jan 10, 2012 13:56:08 GMT -5
Polish prosecutor in Smolensk air crash shoots himself.
19:01 09/01/2012 MOSCOW, January 9 (RIA Novosti)
A Polish military prosecutor shot himself Monday morning, shortly after a press conference on the April 2010 Smolensk air disaster, Polish Radio External Service said.
The prosecutor, Colonel Mikołaj Przybył, was severely injured but still alive.
Doctors described his condition as "stable" after he was rushed to hospital.
Przybyl had been speaking out against what he described as “outrageous” charges against the Military Prosecutor's Office in Poznan, which stands accused of attempting to procure private information from mobile phone operators.
Members of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Poznan allegedly urged mobile phone operators to disclose text messages from reporters’ phones.
Col. Przybyl claimed that leaks had reached the press about details of the investigation into the Smolensk air disaster, causing delays in the Polish-Russian cooperation in the matter.
Some 96 people perished during the April 10 flight of President Lech Kaczynski's delegation to Smolensk for the 70th anniversary of the WWII Katyn massacre.
The mobile telephone operators did not release the material requested by the Military Prosecutor's Office, insisting they could only do that legally via a court order.
Post by kosmopolak on Jan 15, 2012 13:48:03 GMT -5
The worse thing about all the stories on the internet in Polish is that they are all biased The one source of information on Poland to the outside world is the "Gazeta Wyborcza". This newspaper is owned by Adam Michnik, son of Ozjasz Szechter, a Jewish communist condemned to death by the Polish government in 1933 for terrorism, who evaded being captured. This media has at its goal, the destruction of Polish culture, and the "modernisation" of Polish society. The newspaper's philosophy is postmodernist and deconstructionist. Although being leftist socially, the newspaper is neoliberal economically. That newspaper's editorial line, is to point the treasons of the Polish nation, which it calls as being "backward kato-endek". The newspaper does not want retribution against the communists and the post-communist economic elite tzv."nomenklatura" which has taken over our social, but views endekism as the biggest threat to our identity. Do please understand why Poles are so angry when we respond on topics associated with our country. All of the information on our country to the outside is filtered by Gazeta Wyborcza and her biases. If you have heard of Poles as being antisemites or rusophobes, you are under the influence of the nadredaktor.
Endek - is the acronym for a member of the pre-war pro-Russian, conservative-nationalist ENDECJA or Narodowa Demokracja movement. Polish nationalists and Catholic activists are pro-Russian, while the newspapers call us Russophobes. The majority of resentment against Russia, is resentment against the Tsarist regime and its policies against our country. The main resentment is that out of the Polish Privislnskij kraj or Kongresówka of Imperial Russia, of a population of 4.8 millions in 1860, there were 250.000 Polish soldiers in the Imperial Army. Take into fact that 14% of the population of the Kongresówka was Jewish, so thus exempt from military service, there were 250.000 soldiers out of 4.000. 000 Catholic population. The fact that 25% of the Imperial Army was Polish, furthered the feeling of hatred toward Moscow, while Poles were only about 6% of the entire Russian population.
Last Edit: Jan 15, 2012 13:49:06 GMT -5 by kosmopolak
Warsaw: Kaczynski's plane had no right to fly to Smolensk.
RT.com 9 March, 2012, 19:39
The Polish plane that crashed April 2010 in Russia, killing President Lech Kazcynski and much of the country's political elite, was not authorized to carry out the flight, Poland’s Supreme Chamber of Control says in its final report on the accident.
“The aircraft, according to Polish norms, had no right to carry out that flight with a landing in Smolensk, because the local airport was not on the list of the airports and was considered to be inactive,” said the head of the chamber Yatsek Yazersky.
He pointed out that landing at that airport could have been done only after a test flight, which never took place.
The Chamber revealed that the system of flight security for top officials did not function properly and the responsible services were uncoordinated. The information about the high-profile flights was often delivered to the security services at the very last moment and sometimes was limited, which made it difficult to prepare for the flight.
The conclusions made by the Chamber in the report at large coincide with those made by the government commission investigating the accident. The commission confirmed that the crew had committed a number of appreciable errors while performing the landing in Smolensk.
The tragic death of President Lech Kaczynski, along with much of Poland's political elite, became a pressing issue between Russia and Poland, with a number of counteraccusations and various conspiracy theories during the investigation period.
Kaczynski’s plane crashed on April 10, 2010, while flying to Smolensk to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the Katyn Massacre. The crash killed all 96 passengers and crew on board the plane.
Post by TsarSamuil on Apr 10, 2012 13:59:31 GMT -5
One-in-three blame Russia for Smolensk disaster.
theNews.pl 10.04.2012 09:10
One-in-five Poles believe that the 10 April 2010 Smolensk air disaster was an "attack" on the then Polish president, Lech Kaczynski, and one-in-three believe the crash was caused by “Russian error”.
According to a survey marking the second anniversary of the disaster by TNS OBOP, 18 percent believe that the crash, which killed 96 in western Russia two years ago today, was an attack of Poland's head of state.
The most popular explanation for the disaster however is “errors by the Russian air controllers,” with 32 percent putting the blame on staff at the Smolensk airport control towers.
The official Russian investigation put most of the blame on “pilot error”, while the Polish investigation found human error, including mistakes made by Russian air traffic control, to be responsible for the disaster that killed President Lech Kaczynski, First Lady Maria and many of Poland's top military and opposition politicians.
Respondents in the new survey were allowed to give more than one answer, and the second most widely chosen explanation was “pilot error”, as evidenced by 28 percent of those surveyed.
Some 27 percent cited “errors made by Polish officials in the organisation of the flight,” while 22 percent blamed “pressure put on the pilots to land by their superiors.”
Just 13 percent stated that a “malfunction of the plane” caused the crash, while 16 percent said that it was “hard to say” what the true causes were.
In a parallel survey by TNS OBOP, 40 percent of those surveyed said that the Smolensk disaster was the most important event in recent Polish history.
However, 83 percent chose the death of Polish pontiff Pope John Paul II, 57 percent Poland's accession to the European Union and 45 percent the collapse of the communist system and the subsequent free elections. Some 9 percent chose Poland's participation in the Iraq war.
The surveys were conducted for the Gazeta Wyborcza daily from a sample of 500. (nh/pg)
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Nov 28, 2019 11:30:45 GMT -5
TsarSamuil: A guy keeps spamming casino links every day, I have to ban him constantly, I wonder what his post count would be otherwise, approaching mine?
Jan 10, 2020 14:27:01 GMT -5
Borrka: Anybody here? Where are the old regulars!?
Mar 15, 2020 10:48:19 GMT -5
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Apr 19, 2020 4:29:09 GMT -5
gioblack94: Hello,I'm the representative of the Bulgarians and the main coordinator of Bulgaria of a movement called:"The slavic movement".Our mission is to create a slavic union and we welcome everybody who wants to join our cause:https://discord.gg/gMh2Zm
May 18, 2020 9:10:02 GMT -5
WhiteGaysack: And what do you think OUR mission is since 2004?
Jun 5, 2020 14:56:11 GMT -5
WC: Tsar, habe you lost interest? Kudos that you continued posting all the years.
Jun 20, 2020 3:10:01 GMT -5
WC: Nikolov, wuz up?
Jun 28, 2020 13:54:49 GMT -5
TheChornyvolk: Borka, I still fuck your mother.
Jul 15, 2020 14:52:53 GMT -5
Raskolnikov: A thread about the racial movements currently happening in the west would be interesting. Is this forum alive enough to create a topic about it?
Jul 20, 2020 9:57:24 GMT -5
TheChornyvolk: No. But you can lick my ass, instead.
Jul 24, 2020 2:37:47 GMT -5
Raskolnikov: And get an STD? no way
Aug 5, 2020 11:06:27 GMT -5
Raskolnikov: I changed my opinion. Now I want!
Aug 9, 2020 15:46:12 GMT -5
White Cossack: WTF is going on here? That's Slavija, not Spermia.
Aug 30, 2020 13:48:17 GMT -5