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Post by stanislav on Sept 8, 2008 20:37:56 GMT -5
Hey, without knowing for each other we made similar comment on the same poster about the same time :-) Hi medo  |
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Post by gleb on Sept 9, 2008 1:27:37 GMT -5
I think that Raven is wrong.
Putin compared Ossetia with Srebrenica this way:
- he compared massacred civilians in Srebrenica with massacred Ossetian civilians. Both were killed in the peacekeeping zone. But in comparison with UN peacekeepers Russian peacekeepers couldn't wait for situation to repeat the same scenario. It was his explanation why Russia took part in the conflict. Because the world wouldn't do anything to prevent Ossetian nation from total annihilation. An exaple with Srebrenica is the most vivid one for Westerners.
This comparison was made by Putin not because he consideres the situation to be the same. He is very educated politicaly. He compares only the actions of the organizations such as EU, UN and NATO which can allow the bloodshed to happen how it was in Srebrenica.
I'm not a fan of Putin, but I think that you, Raven, got him wrong.
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Post by pastir on Sept 9, 2008 4:39:48 GMT -5
I think that Raven is wrong. Putin compared Ossetia with Srebrenica this way: - he compared massacred civilians in Srebrenica with massacred Ossetian civilians. Both were killed in the peacekeeping zone. But in comparison with UN peacekeepers Russian peacekeepers couldn't wait for situation to repeat the same scenario. It was his explanation why Russia took part in the conflict. Because the world wouldn't do anything to prevent Ossetian nation from total annihilation. An exaple with Srebrenica is the most vivid one for Westerners. Except no civilians were massacred unless he meant Serb civilians, but I very much doubt that. There are enough people spreading anti-Serb propaganda as it is, we don`t need Putin to join in. And if he didn`t mean it it makes it all the worse. |
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Post by gleb on Sept 9, 2008 6:10:15 GMT -5
Putin never spreaded anti-Serb propaganda.
In Russia we know what Naser Oric did in Srebrenica. I never heard of any sympathy to Bosnian muslims on Russian TV even during the democracy of 90's.
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Post by TsarSamuil on Sept 9, 2008 9:03:42 GMT -5
Putin traitor to slavs? Wow...he is just the biggest slavic hero this century, saved Russia from the jewligarchs n their western partners, crushed the abdulliz in chechnya n made a deal with the kadyrovs n got peace. All other slavic leaders are sellouts (except Simeon, he is cool).
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Post by Raven on Sept 9, 2008 12:36:37 GMT -5
people, people. All of you deflecting from facts same way how EU/NATO/USA doing that and now even Russia (Putin!)...
Only genocide that happened in Srebrenica was genocide on Serbs! If Holland`s peace keepers protected Serbs (more then 3000 of them was mutilated in and arround Srebrenica), Mladic wouldn`t happened in Srebrenica!!!
and now Russia, instead to fight against anti-Serbian propaganda wall which surround us, Russia (particulary- Putin) because of her own interests join to so called west (EU/USA/NATO) in their spit on Serbs
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Post by Orao on Sept 9, 2008 19:33:42 GMT -5
Putin traitor to slavs? Wow...he is just the biggest slavic hero this century, saved Russia from the jewligarchs n their western partners, crushed the abdulliz in chechnya n made a deal with the kadyrovs n got peace. All other slavic leaders are sellouts (except Simeon, he is cool). Simeon Saxe-Coburg? Is he even a slav? lol |
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Post by gleb on Sept 10, 2008 1:41:32 GMT -5
people, people. All of you deflecting from facts same way how EU/NATO/USA doing that and now even Russia (Putin!)... Only genocide that happened in Srebrenica was genocide on Serbs! If Holland`s peace keepers protected Serbs (more then 3000 of them was mutilated in and arround Srebrenica), Mladic wouldn`t happened in Srebrenica!!! and now Russia, instead to fight against anti-Serbian propaganda wall which surround us, Russia (particulary- Putin) because of her own interests join to so called west (EU/USA/NATO) in their spit on Serbs Once more: he didn't say a thing about Mladic. He (and before him Vitalij CHurkin in UN) said about the dutch peacekeepers which ran away from Srebrenica and allowed some bloodshed. Prove me that he was talking about Mladic's actions. I think that he was talking about Oric's actions. I see only emotions but without any certain proof. |
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Post by pastir on Sept 10, 2008 2:52:29 GMT -5
It would make no sense for him to refer to Oric, because that is not something his auidance would be familiar with. His audiance is familiar with Srebrenica only in the context of "genocide" of Muslims. And UN "peacekeepers" had little to do with protecting the Serbs, because Serbs had been driven out before the protection zone was established, so they never `ran away instead of protecting the Serbs`.
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Post by Raven on Sept 10, 2008 14:06:59 GMT -5
It would make no sense for him to refer to Oric, because that is not something his auidance would be familiar with. His audiance is familiar with Srebrenica only in the context of "genocide" of Muslims. And UN "peacekeepers" had little to do with protecting the Serbs, because Serbs had been driven out before the protection zone was established, so they never `ran away instead of protecting the Serbs`. good point Putin had historical opportunity to help Serbians, if in the moment when media were focused on him because of Georgia/Ossetia, mentioned that Holland`s peace keepers didn`t react- nor in moment when genocide was commited on Serbs, nor when Serbs (Mladic) retaliated, in Srebrenica and, when in chaos that occured war crimes were commited on Muslims. Its obvious that Putin mistaken. But, hardly that politician of his calibar could made such a huge diplomatic blow. In any case we now with good reason can think that he sold Serbs. Tadic and many other Serbian politicians sold Serbs before Putin but, that does not giving `green light` to Putin to join them. Traitors in the leadership of Serbia are part of batle for Serbia (part of CIA, etc actions against Serbian people) and Russia should help to Serbs to get rid of traitors and not that traitors strenghten their positions. |
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Post by Orao on Sept 10, 2008 16:23:25 GMT -5
Serete previse vas dvojica.
Srebrenica is an internationally recognized act of genocide. And as such an act of genocide carried out by individuals, that is why the court threw out Bosnia's lawsuit against all of Serbia for it.
So, I don't see why anyone would say that Putin somehow betrayed the Serb nation as a whole when Srebrenica was not characterized as being carried out by the whole of the Serb people.
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Post by pastir on Sept 10, 2008 16:33:27 GMT -5
Serete previse vas dvojica. Srebrenica is an internationally recognized act of genocide. And as such an act of genocide carried out by individuals, that is why the court threw out Bosnia's lawsuit against all of Serbia for it. So, I don't see why anyone would say that Putin somehow betrayed the Serb nation as a whole when Srebrenica was not characterized as being carried out by the whole of the Serb people. Sorry muppet, did you say something? |
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Post by Gerasim on Sept 10, 2008 16:40:07 GMT -5
Serete previse vas dvojica. Srebrenica is an internationally recognized act of genocide. And as such an act of genocide carried out by individuals, that is why the court threw out Bosnia's lawsuit against all of Serbia for it. So, I don't see why anyone would say that Putin somehow betrayed the Serb nation as a whole when Srebrenica was not characterized as being carried out by the whole of the Serb people. I ti si poceo da kenjas mnogo. Srebrenica was not an act of genocide by the standards of international law. It could have been labeled as a massacre, of course if you believe everything said about Srebrenica is absolutely true. Genocide is an act of eradication of whole population, that means including women, children, elders, and not just in one town, but on the whole territory that is controlled by the forces that are committing it. Srebrenica simply doesn't qualify for that term. |
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Post by Orao on Sept 10, 2008 19:12:56 GMT -5
Kao prvo mislim da nisam ni ja, ali nijedan od vas kompetentan da pricate sta se desilo u Srebrenici jer nismo bili tu. A sigurno da se nije nista dobro desilo tamo... prema tome... za te stvari sto su se desile tamo krivi su pojedinci i prema tome uzalud je govoriti da je Putin ili bilo ko ko pominje/priznaje zlocin u Srebrenici nekako antisrpski.
On je samo stao protiv onih pojedinaca koji su krivi i nista drugo.
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Post by gleb on Sept 11, 2008 2:15:57 GMT -5
It would make no sense for him to refer to Oric, because that is not something his auidance would be familiar with. His audiance is familiar with Srebrenica only in the context of "genocide" of Muslims. And UN "peacekeepers" had little to do with protecting the Serbs, because Serbs had been driven out before the protection zone was established, so they never `ran away instead of protecting the Serbs`. good point Its obvious that Putin mistaken. But, hardly that politician of his calibar could made such a huge diplomatic blow. In any case we now with good reason can think that he sold Serbs. My point that it wasn't Putin to sell Serbs. There are Serbs that sold themselves. It wasn't Putin who voted for Tadic. My opinion that the most part of Serbs told everyone that they don't need any help and all the attempts to help them are not needed any more. They need only free visas to travel over Europe and they don't need any Kosovo. I support Srebs since bery long time but I really can not understand you, guys. |
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