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Post by Boris Sarafov on Jan 14, 2008 16:11:55 GMT -5
One, the official name is Republic of Macedonia which is recognized by all Slavic states, and by over 120 countries in the world including the many prominent members of the UN and NATO, and the EU and the G8. This FYROM I have never heard of, nor is it FYROM in any official UN Document. Also to add to the point, Macedonia is 3 country votes away from having the name FYROM barred in any UN activities or documents, so learn something before you speak. Now the other parts. Albanians make up 22-25% of the population there numbers are also inflated due to them claiming Macedonian Muslims as Albanians. Two, Struga isn't in Northern Macedonia, nor is it in the North-west. From what I see so far, Russia is preventing anything more happening and they are doing a decent job of it. Wasn't Kosovo supposed to be independent by Dec. 10? Well it isn't. One, Serbia didn't send them in, you are grossly misinformed if you believe that, rather, NATO and UN sent them in, and our government allowed them freely at the time. To start I do not know what a "Vardarska MKD" is I only know of the Republic of Macedonia. To add to that there will be no seperation of any part of Macedonia at all. Secondly no parts of Macedonia will ever join Bulgaria, and I mean ever, never will it happen, you have already took too much as it is. These so called "BG roots" only exist from Bulgarian propaganda machine. Do you guys even remember what happen to the VMRO-BND party when they tried to come in to Skopje last year? Just think of that in a larger scale Of course you do, you see them the same way a racist, expansionist Bulgarian or to put in plain words a normal Bulgarian would see it. Just as a extremist Albanians do, seeing how Albanians and Bulgarians ancestors originate from that area or nearby(Caucas/Asia) , I'm starting to see the resemblence. Look over your own country, you have over 1Million Turks, and Gypsies, if not more then that. Your economy is deplorable, your human rights system doesn't even exist, Bulgaria is almost the third world country of the EU. FYROM is a fake communistic state, who will collapse soon. You know this, you feel this. This is all I want to say (no more because I promised White Cossack to observe the rules - I want to keep my word) Ya "communistic state" believe whatever makes you sleep easier. |
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Post by ratnik on Jan 14, 2008 16:23:24 GMT -5
Ya "communistic state" believe whatever makes you sleep easier. Thank you Lavovi. Good night to you also. |
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Post by rovchanin on Jan 14, 2008 16:54:42 GMT -5
What is so great about bulgaria anyway? For example the fact we can communicate with internet. A Bulgarian invented the computer - John Atanasov. p.s. You still have snots on your nose.....nipper..... Well ratnik I can't see a point arguing with you.. You would see my "snots" in private, anyway.. Bulgarians are nothing special, and if you like albanians maybe albania and bulgaria should form a union. hahaha |
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Post by rovchanin on Jan 14, 2008 16:59:48 GMT -5
For example the fact we can communicate with internet. A Bulgarian invented the computer - John Atanasov. p.s. You still have snots on your nose.....nipper..... Well ratnik I can't see a point arguing with you.. You would see my "snots" in private, anyway.. Bulgarians are nothing special, and if you like albanians maybe albania and bulgaria should form a union. hahaha Anyway.. invention of pc.. that atanasoff guy was born and educated in US. it's easy to point a guy who is born in a foreign land, taught a foreign language and education that he is a "bulgar" inventor.. he is indeed with bulgarian roots.. but in bulgaria I don't believe he would invent even "hot water" . |
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Post by voynik on Feb 29, 2008 1:29:53 GMT -5
Skoplje: Tantrum of Slavs which rennounced Slavism Expression of the Communist-era instilled Pseudomacedonian dogmatism in a theatrical manner during demonstrations in Skoplje, followed by an attack against the diplomatic office of the Hellenic Republic. 27-II-2008 www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEfrlpQCtLw |
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Post by Boris Sarafov on Feb 29, 2008 16:19:09 GMT -5
Hope you enjoyed your short stay again Gligorov!
Next time I hope they burn the Grease Embassy, with you in it!
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Post by voynik on Mar 1, 2008 10:25:48 GMT -5
One CANNOT be a SLAV and MACEDONIAN in a same time, just like one CANNOT be both SLAV in entirety and (for example) an ARAB in entirety.
If Slavs and Arabs are in distant neighbourhods, Slavs and Macedonians are on opposite continent.If a man, a single individual does to himself what Slavs of that state are doing, it would equal walking the streets and pulling bystanders by the sleeve, telling them "I ain't any Vladimir, Miroslav or Dragan.I'm Bill Gates, yea, Bill Gates, that's who I am".
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Post by The Ultimate Warrior on Mar 1, 2008 10:47:00 GMT -5
One CANNOT be a SLAV and MACEDONIAN in a same time, just like one CANNOT be both SLAV in entirety and (for example) an ARAB in entirety. If Slavs and Arabs are in distant neighbourhods, Slavs and Macedonians are on opposite continent.If a man, a single individual does to himself what Slavs of that state are doing, it would equal walking the streets and pulling bystanders by the sleeve, telling them "I ain't any Vladimir, Miroslav or Dragan.I'm Bill Gates, yea, Bill Gates, that's who I am". Sure thing "greek" boy! Your logic does not even make the slightest sense, but what can you expect from a physcopath like you istor. But back to you "point": Just like a bulgarian cant be a slav or A Egyptian cant be a arab or A Magyar cant claim the hunns, their land or history or... The list is endless you only point out the macedonians only to suit your racist greek policy's. Why do you even post on this forum? Your not even a slavic person and you hate them (both macedonians and bulgars, "enemies" to grease). You only cause trouble here thats all, please spam some where else Istor, try your own forum where you only talk amongst your self, you loony. |
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Post by soldier7799 on Mar 1, 2008 11:59:12 GMT -5
Dr Dog i cant understand what you wrote..Wtf means bulgarian cant be a slav?!?!If we together go to hospital there you will see that im more slav than you 10000%!Simple fact i look like slav.Im bored from coments like that one...Im sure not every bulgarian is slav because bulgarian nation mixed with many tribes but im here because im sure what i am and what origins i have.When you walk on the street it is simply to see who is slav and who is asian,greek,arab or other.Had you ever been in Bulgaria to see what people live here before you start to write shit!?!
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Post by soldier7799 on Mar 1, 2008 12:01:38 GMT -5
Oohh i didnt see that you are "macedonian"...You are brainwashed bulgarian who hate his own people just because in history we lost this province in wasted wars!
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Post by The Ultimate Warrior on Mar 1, 2008 20:48:18 GMT -5
Soldier, im sorry you did not understand my post, it seemed pretty clear to me what i was saying but for you i will try to explain it again:
Basically what i was doing was using Istors crazy theories on other peoples in the world. Example, he says todays macedonians (slavic peole) can not have anything related to the ancient macedonians (non slavs) because the ancient macedonians where not slavic. Hence i brought up those other example, ie if he uses that theory for macedonians why not deny todays bulgarians( slavs) to have any relation with the proto bulgaris,thracians and Moesians (non slavs), or denying the modern egyptians (arabs) having anything to do with the ancient egyptians (non arabs) etc etc
I have continually always used the above theme to counter the stupid idiots on this forum that like to "question" the macedonian identity and expose their hypocrisy.
In my post above i never once said todays bulgarians are asian looking, dont jump the gun.
And just for you, my opinion is that todays bulgarians are not asian looking but eastern european looking ie white people.
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Post by The Ultimate Warrior on Mar 1, 2008 20:54:39 GMT -5
One of my older posts: Also, my opinion is that the macedonians of today are mainly of south slavic stock now (most similair to bulgars and serbo-croats), however these slavic people when settling in macedonia assimilated with the local population (which was mainly ancient macedonian, and also thracian and illyrian) thus absorbing the local element and making macedonia prodimenently slavic untill 1918. Also the macedonains have been in various empires over their existance, such as the byzantine, then bulgar, then back to byzantine, then serb, and finally yugoslavia. This is what seperates us from other south slavic peoples. To deny the macedonians of today any link with the ancient macedonians is totally unfair, as in my opinion todays macedonians have more in commen with their ancient name sakes as say, the modern egyptians and ancient egyptians, or the modern day bulgars and turkic proto bulgars/Moesians/Tharacians, or the modern day magyars with the huns. It is strange how the modern day egyptians,bulgarians and hungarians can use their ancient peoples and monopoloze them for their own use whether political, historical or "bussines" use, yet the macedonains are not, thanks to the modern day greek power in the western world. In the end, macedonains of today know who they are and are proud that they have survived and kept their idnentity after all of these hard years with virtually no help from no one, including other slavic people and the orhtodox church. slavija.proboards37.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1198548525&page=1 |
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Post by soldier7799 on Mar 2, 2008 6:12:41 GMT -5
Ok i agree with you.But never the less you must agree with me that the separation of Balkan countries doesnt work for them.In fact it works for our big "friend" USA. Americans use Divide and conquer tactik to make our countries politicaly weak.Politicaly weak countries are also economicly weak.So we must lick USA asses.For me Balkan countries at the moment are not independent.I think you now that after russian-turkish war in 1878 bulgarians gained independence but western powers didnt recognise San-Stefano Bulgaria which conclude 3 big provinces:Trakia,Mizia and MACEDONIA.And if western countires recognised San-Stefano Bulgaria IM SURE that nobady would ever say "Hey i am macedonian!".Simple fact MAcedonia is province.Yes you are macedonians but there are no such thing as macedonian nation.We simple people always suffer for the mistakes of politicans and most of them of our todays "friends" who splited us in 20 nations what for me is madnes.If you look Germany god damn there are more diferences between north german and south german than between bulgarian and macedonian.We speak one language,share one blood and it is better for us not to split in 1000 litle and weak countrie but form a big south slavic state as our revolutionaries wanted even in 19 century...God bless our both "nations" brother and let us live in peace and prosperaty.Pozdravi!
Maj ako bjah pisal na bulgarski shteshe da me razberesh po-dobre,anglijskija mi kuca...
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Post by The Ultimate Warrior on Mar 6, 2008 23:53:47 GMT -5
Ok i agree with you.But never the less you must agree with me that the separation of Balkan countries doesnt work for them.In fact it works for our big "friend" USA. Americans use Divide and conquer tactik to make our countries politicaly weak.Politicaly weak countries are also economicly weak.So we must lick USA asses.For me Balkan countries at the moment are not independent.I think you now that after russian-turkish war in 1878 bulgarians gained independence but western powers didnt recognise San-Stefano Bulgaria which conclude 3 big provinces:Trakia,Mizia and MACEDONIA.And if western countires recognised San-Stefano Bulgaria IM SURE that nobady would ever say "Hey i am macedonian!".Simple fact MAcedonia is province.Yes you are macedonians but there are no such thing as macedonian nation.We simple people always suffer for the mistakes of politicans and most of them of our todays "friends" who splited us in 20 nations what for me is madnes.If you look Germany god damn there are more diferences between north german and south german than between bulgarian and macedonian.We speak one language,share one blood and it is better for us not to split in 1000 litle and weak countrie but form a big south slavic state as our revolutionaries wanted even in 19 century...God bless our both "nations" brother and let us live in peace and prosperaty.Pozdravi! Maj ako bjah pisal na bulgarski shteshe da me razberesh po-dobre,anglijskija mi kuca... hmmm i do not want to get into another batle about macedonia and who they are and why or what reason they should be allowed to live/exist. But i will say one thing though, i personally dont want anything to do with bulgarians and feel absolutly no "connection" to them. I personally feel sick and offended when i think of a "commen tie" with bulgaria. I do not want anything to do with bulgaria. |
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Post by Boris Sarafov on Mar 4, 2008 20:31:27 GMT -5
Macedonia Reopens War Crimes Cases 4 March 2008 Skopje Macedonia's main Albanian parties have criticised a decision to reopen investigations into crimes committed by ethnic Albanian guerrillas during the 2001 armed conflict in the country. The four cases were orginally brought before the International Criminal Tribunal for Former Yugoslavia, ICTY, were returned to the Macedonian judiciary in mid February after the Hague Prosecutor’s Office decided not to proceed with them. Macedonia's decision to reopen them prompted the opposition Democratic Union for Integration, DUI, to call on the Public Prosecutor’s Office late Monday, to halt the move arguing it would violate the amnesty law which pardoned former guerrillas after the conflict. “There is absolutely no legal basis for their reopening since the Hague tribunal has already decided not to treat them as crimes against humanity or war crimes”, the DUI spokesperson Ermira Mehmeti told media on Monday. DUI was created by former guerrilla fighters and many of them also joined its rival, the Democratic Party of Albanians, DPA, a junior partner in Macedonia's ruling coalition, which also criticised the decision. On Monday, the public prosecutor Ljupco Svrgovski reiterated his intent. He confirmed for local A1 Television that one case involving the alleged kidnapping and torture of several construction workers will soon be put to trial and that 20 people will be charged. “The prosecution can not be withdrawn,” Svrgovski said, adding that the other three cases will be reinvestigated first. The four cases were among five the ICTY took jurisdiction of, in 2002. However, the prosecution brought charges only in the case against former Macedonian Interior Minister Ljube Boskovski and one of his senior police officers, who are now being tried for allegedly ordering a brutal police attack on an Albanian-populated village. Local politicians and experts in the past few years have expressed fears that the return of the four cases to Macedonia could revive inter-ethnic disputes from the past and distract Macedonia from its reform course towards the EU and NATO. The conflict in Macedonia lasted six months and ended with the signing of the Ohrid peace accord. Following the accord, former Albanian guerrilla leaders assumed a political role by forming the DUI. Some of them have also joined the now ruling DPA.
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