(...) So we are like Japs, many different Ilands, divisions and Shog-nates, many dialects but definitely one core Language, we have nobody but ourselves and the rest look at us trough a stockholders goggle as at a greasy sheep.
We are a country with 1000 years heritage - we don't need to force anybody to become a Pole.
Personally, I don't like it when Romanians are associated with or called "gypsie". (Don't know about Moldova, but I assume it's similar.) We have just a slightly smaller amount of gypsies so I don't know where that Romanian stereotype comes from.
Post by katolickaanarchia on Nov 24, 2008 14:15:22 GMT -5
One core language for all Slavs. To the best of my knowledge, the only words similar in all Slavic languages are religious words and cursewords. Everything else is the result of 1200 years of evolution in different branches. Perhaps it is to say that Slavic languages form one tree but the branches differ from each other immensely. Perhaps that conception will hold.
Some of those protesting on Tuesday bore the Romanian flag.
Moldova's president has accused neighbouring Romania of stoking the protests that erupted into violence in the capital Chisinau on Tuesday.
Romania has rejected the accusation as a "provocation".
Thousands of young protesters thronged Chisinau, fighting police and ransacking parliament, in protest at the results of Sunday's election.
Official results gave the ruling Communists about 50% of the vote in the Romanian-speaking ex-Soviet republic.
International observers said the vote appeared to have been fair, though one told the BBC she had her doubts.
Moldovan President Vladimir Voronin, a Communist, was quoted by Russian agency Interfax saying: "We know that certain political forces in Romania are behind this unrest. The Romanian flags fixed on the government buildings in Chisinau attest to this."
He ordered that Romania's ambassador be expelled, recalled the Moldovan envoy from Bucharest, and said Romanians would in future need visas to cross into Moldova.
Earlier the president described the violence as "a coup d'etat".
Some of the protesters on Tuesday had carried Romanian flags and called for the unification of Moldova with Romania, its bigger neighbour.
Russia's foreign ministry said there was a plot aimed at undermining "the sovereignty of Moldova".
But Romania's foreign ministry said: "This accusation is a provocation aimed at the Romanian state."
It is "unacceptable that the Communists in power in Chisinau shift the blame for internal problems in Moldova onto Romania and the Romanian people", the statement added.
Summoned on Twitter
There was no sign of a repeat of the violence on Wednesday, though some people gathered to demand the release of the 193 people reportedly arrested on Tuesday.
Vlad Filat, leader of the Liberal Democratic Party, called the demonstrations "a spontaneous action by protesting young people".
He said the opposition had tried to prevent excesses, like the attacks on parliament, but said: "We are not scared of arrests or intimidation. The people do not want to live like this and want to live free and without fear."
Word of the demonstrations was spread by text message, via the internet, and on social networking tools.
"We sent messages on Twitter but didn't expect 15,000 people to join in. At the most we expected 1,000," Oleg Brega, of the activist group Hyde Park told the Associated Press news agency.
Chisinau Mayor Dorin Chirtoaca, a member of the Liberal Party, said: "The elections were fraudulent, there was multiple voting."
The opposition have called for ballots to be recounted or the vote to be reheld - a request rejected so far by the government.
A report by the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe on Sunday's vote gave a mostly positive assessment of the poll.
But a British member of the OSCE's observation team questioned that conclusion.
Baroness Emma Nicholson said she found it "difficult to endorse the very warm press statement" from the head of the OSCE.
"The problem was that it was an OSCE report, and in the OSCE are, of course, the Russians, and their view was quite different, quite substantially different, for example from my own," she told BBC News.
She said she and other observers had a "very, very strong feeling" that there had been some manipulation, "but we couldn't find any proof".
Moldova, sandwiched between Romania and Ukraine, is the poorest country in Europe, where the average wage is just under $250 (£168) a month.
The people speak Romanian and the country shares many cultural links with Romania. However it was annexed by the Soviet Union in World War II and gained independence in 1991.
There remains an unresolved conflict with the breakaway region of Trans-Dniester, which has run its own affairs, with Moscow's support, since the end of hostilities in a brief war in 1992.
Wouldn't it be better to split the country across ethnic lines?
Last Edit: Apr 8, 2009 22:17:36 GMT -5 by TsarSamuil
Apparently this one is going to be "Twitter Revolution".
Moldova’s ‘Twitter Revolution’: Made in America?
It makes for a great story-line – the kind the international media embrace with relish: thrusting young Moldovans grab their iPhones, rush to the town square, and Twitter their way to a revolution against a Communist Party that had just stolen an election. The story-line has been written with orange and with roses and tulips and almost with denim, the press reducing the phenomena in each case to a few slogans repeated until they become accepted as reality with little further analysis.
Such is the case with recent events in Moldova, where even a casual reading of the vast contradictions between objective reality and the developing story-line – the “Twitter Revolution” – is glaringly obvious.
The protests, which intensified Tuesday, were sparked by claims that the Communist Party of President Vladimir Voronin rigged parliamentary elections last Sunday – a vote they were widely expected to win – to gain enough of a margin to amend the constitution and extend Voronin’s rule beyond that which is currently permitted. While the press lauds the “spontaneous” mass organization to overthrow Voronin, one does not have to dust the scene of the crime too carefully to see US foreign policy fingerprints all over the place.
Rose, orange n twitter revolution, sounds like names for gay pride festivals.
Russia furious with EU over Twitter revolution.
Moscow backs Moldovan President after he accuses Romania of supporting coup.
TheIndependent By Shaun Walker in Moscow Thursday, 9 April 2009
The crisis in Moldova, dubbed the "Twitter Revolution", was last night threatening to turn into another showdown between Russia and the West. Just weeks after Barack Obama's government spoke of "pressing the reset button" with Russia, the conflict risks derailing the fragile diplomatic truce.
Russia gave its backing yesterday to Moldova's President, Vladimir Voronin, when he accused EU and Nato member Romania of backing a coup attempt, and expelled the Romanian ambassador. Mr Voronin promised "harsh punishment" would be meted out to the organisers of protests which rocked the capital Chisinau on Tuesday after the ruling Communists claimed victory in weekend parliamentary elections.
Moscow, deeply suspicious of anti-government protests in what it considers its sphere of interest, condemned the protests in the strongest terms.
A foreign ministry statement supported Mr Voronin's actions and said "any attempts to play on the emotions of the young people who make up the majority of the crowds, especially from outside the country, is not just reckless and reprehensible, but also short-sighted." The Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, called the protests "outrageous" and the Duma called on the EU to condemn the protests.
Mr Voronin said: "When the flag of Romania was raised on state buildings, the attempts of the opposition to carry out a coup became clear. We will not allow this." Romania and Moldova share deep historical ties but Romanian authorities vehemently denied the accusations and analysts in Chisinau accused elements in the Moldovan government of provoking the clashes to create a rift with the EU and push the country towards Russia.
Russia's main bargaining chip with Moldova, and a point of particular concern for the EU, is the "frozen conflict" in Transdniestria.
The sliver of land is officially part of Moldova but is run by a separatist regime with close links to Moscow. The situation is similar to that in South Ossetia, where Russia and Georgia came to blows last summer. Russia is the leading player in ongoing negotiations and has a military presence and a large armaments depot in the region.
Riot police retook control of the Moldovan parliament and presidential buildings yesterday as both sides took stock after Tuesday's violence. Protesters stormed and ransacked the buildings, demanding repeat elections. About 200 people were detained while opposition parties demanded access to television and new elections.
The protest organisers insisted that most of the protesters had been students with no party political links and no intention of violent action, determined simply to hold the government to account and force freer elections.
"The protests were initially very peaceful, but then a small group, which seemed to be very well organised, started these violent riots," said Igor Munteanu, the executive director of the Viitorul think-tank in Chisinau.
"My suspicion is that this was provoked and directed from within. Elements of the Communist leadership do not want closer relations with the EU as it will mean loosening their grip on power. They know that if they provoke a crisis with Romania and the EU and improve relations with Moscow, they will be able to continue running the country as they please."
Mr Munteanu said the protests should not be seen in the same light as the Georgian and Ukranian revolutions: "This was not organised by the opposition parties; it was a protest self-organised by young people who are unhappy with the Communist government," he said.
Young Moldovans discussed their next moves online as the role social networking sites played in organising the protests became clear.
Not too long ago, revolutions were named after colours or flowers – Orange for Ukraine, Rose for Georgia, Tulip for Kyrgyzstan. But in a sign that technology is now fuelling opposition to post-Soviet regimes as much as romantic ideals, the protests in Moldova have been dubbed the "Twitter Revolution".
In the list of most popular Twitter searches yesterday, along with contestants from Pop Idol and other television-related inanity, was "#pman" the abbreviation for Piata Marii Adunari Nationale, the Romanian name for the main square in Chisinau and the epicentre of the protests.
Every minute new posts were made in English and Romanian, with acquaintances and sympathisers keeping each other up to date on the situation in different parts of the country.
"North of Moldova TV IS OFF!!! but we have THE ALMIGHTY INTERNET! Let us use it to communicate peacefully for freedom!!" wrote one Twitter user yesterday afternoon, mirroring the many reports that television networks had been shut down in an attempt to stop the violence.
Others complained that their employers were not letting them join the protests; some simply posted rousing messages calling for freedom and a change of government.
Many of the "tweets" on Twitter, and blog posts on other internet sites, expressed dismay at the violent turn of events and suspicion that the authorities had provoked the violent clashes. Natalia Morar, a prominent Moldovan journalist and a leader of one of the youth groups behind the protests, posted a statement on her blog denouncing the violence.
She said the protests, organised under the slogan "I am not a Communist!", were organised online: "Six of us distributed information on the internet, Facebook, blogs, by SMS and email.
"All the organisation was through the internet, and 15,000 people came on to the street."
The EU called on all parties to refrain from any action that could escalate the situation and said it would send a special envoy to Chisinau. But any talk of a direct EU role in negotiations between the government and opposition is likely to infuriate Moscow further.
Opposition leaders yesterday postponed further protests in light of the violence, but several hundred people gathered outside government buildings demanding the release of the arrested protesters.
Borderline case: The changing shape of Moldova
*So where is Moldova?
This landlocked country lies on the fringes of eastern Europe, sandwiched between Romania to the west and Ukraine to the north, south and east. It is the poorest country in Europe, with residents surviving on an average monthly wage of $250.
*Has it always been independent?
No, it used to be part of the USSR. Moldova declared its independence on 27 August 1991, at the same time as most Soviet republics, following a failed hardline coup against Kremlin leader Mikhail Gorbachev.
The territory has changed hands many times. Back in the Middle Ages it was part of the Principality of Moldavia. In 1812 it was annexed by the Russian Empire and became known as Bessarabia. It was unified with Romania in the early 20th century but then taken back into the Soviet Union at the end of the Second World War.
*What is the ethnic make-up?
About two-thirds of Moldova's 4.5 million people are of Romanian descent. The languages are virtually identical and there are strong cultural ties with the EU and Nato member. However, the sliver of land to the east of the Dniester River – known as Transdniestria – is home to many Russian and Ukrainian speakers.
*What sparked this week's unrest?
Moldovans went to the polls on Sunday to vote for a new parliament. The ruling Communists won with close to 50 per cent of the vote, but protesters allege that there was wide-scale rigging. President Vladimir Voronin – who was elected in 2001 – says he won fair and square and is blaming Romania for stoking the violent demonstrations.
*Are there any other ramifications?
The latest violence could complicate efforts to resolve an 18-year separatist rebellion in Transdniestria. The region unilaterally declared independence from Moldova in 1990. Up to 700 people were killed in fighting that raged until a July 1992 ceasefire. Transdniestria has run its own affairs, with Moscow's support, ever since. In a 2006 referendum, unrecognised by Moldova, the region reasserted its demand for independence and also backed a plan to join Russia.
Tweets of protest
How the Moldovan protesters discussed the unfolding situation on Twitter. The tag #pman is the acronym for Piata Marii Adunari Nationale, name of the central square in Chisinau, the capital of Moldova
"Moldovan president blames opposition for anti-communist protests. He doesn't know youth used social media to gather for protests #pman"
"Public TV not covering the protest. Internet down in Moldova"
"A friend of mine just told me that some girls from #pman revolution gave flowers to policemen and they accepted with a smile. Flower-power"
#pman: on the public TV company just national music and good morning shows, nothing about what's going on in the country..."
"#pman: Chisinau is surrounded, Moldova's borders are closed, internet is partially blocked but this will not stop us"
"#pman Moldovan students in Romania are afraid to come back home. Rumours say they wouldn't be allowed to enter Romania again"
The communists have the majority backing them in the country, that is clear.
Is this a good choice though? I doubt so. But with so many people still remembering the pre-1991 time as good (or at least better than now) it is no surprise most vote for those that were in power then.
Does Romania have any business in Moldova? Yes. They are one people and due to historical circuamstances they are seperate now. Something like Montenegro's govt. and Serbia now.
I guess a hypothetical situation would be if Russia told the communist government in Kisinev to recognize the Hungarian seperatists in Romania it would be the same as Montenegro has done to Serbia over Kosovo.
Post by TsarSamuil on Sept 5, 2009 15:56:37 GMT -5
The next Georgia conflict???
Moldova leader pushes for unification with Romania
CHISINAU, September 5 (RIA Novosti) - Moldovan Parliament Speaker Mihai Ghimpu said during a televised interview on Saturday he would like to annul the country's sovereignty and unite with Romania.
When asked by the interviewer if he was a unionist, Ghimpu answered positively.
"Yes, I am. The idea belongs to me, to someone who knows history," Ghimpu said in regard to uniting Moldova and Romania.
Moldova's acting president Vladimir Voronin formally resigned on Wednesday to become a member of parliament, after strongly criticizing the incoming leadership.
Under the country's constitution, newly elected parliamentary speaker Mihai Ghimpu will become acting president. Ghimpu, who leads the Liberal Party, has openly supported unification with Romania.
The legislature must elect a new president, but the ruling majority currently falls eight votes short of being able to do so. If no president is elected, the legislature must be dissolved and a new parliamentary election called, according to the constitution. However, parliamentary elections may not be held more than twice a year, meaning no further elections can be held in 2009.
Center-left coalition comes to power in Moldova says Communist leader Voronin.
Moldovan Communists and Democrats have created a center-left parliamentary majority of 57 votes to elect the parliament's governing bodies and the country's government, Moldovan Communist leader Vladimir Voronin said on Sunday.
The coalition was formed after consultations between Voronin and Democratic Party leader Marian Lupu.
The center-left coalition just lacks four mandates to elect the country's president and end a stalemate that has left the impoverished ex-Soviet republic without a full-time president since mid-2009. Both Voronin and Lupu, however, have stated on many occasions that this issue could be resolved.
Moldova's Communist Party led early parliamentary elections held in the ex-Soviet republic on November 28 with 39.3%, followed by three parties from the ruling coalition: the Liberal Democrats with 29.4%, the Democrats 12.7% and the Liberals 10%, preliminary election results suggested.
Moldovan acting president Mihai Ghimpu announced the dissolution of parliament on September 28. The move was in line with the Constitutional Court's September 21 ruling, which said that a failure to elect a president in two subsequent elections provided sufficient grounds for the dissolution of parliament.
Under the current law, the head of state is elected by parliament, but in its present makeup none of the candidates can garner the required number of votes.
The impoverished former Soviet republic has been divided between the Communists, who had dominated the political scene for most of the decade, and the ruling coalition of four parties who seek closer ties with the European Union.
The political crisis in Moldova, which has been without a full-fledged president for more than a year and a half, deepened after the September 5 referendum on whether the head of the state should be elected by a direct popular vote. It was declared invalid due to a low turnout.
CHISINAU, December 5 (RIA Novosti)
Last Edit: Feb 9, 2011 17:09:44 GMT -5 by TsarSamuil
Post by TsarSamuil on Jan 14, 2011 12:25:59 GMT -5
Moldovan parliament votes in new cabinet, prime minister.
Moldova's parliament on Friday approved the country's cabinet of ministers and confirmed Liberal-Democratic Party leader Vladimir Filat as prime minister.
Filat, 41, has been Moldova's head of government for the past one and a half years.
The previous government tendered its resignation following the election of a new parliament on November 28.
The Liberal-Democratic Party placed second with 32 seats, after the Communist Party that secured 42.
On December 30 parliamentary speaker Marian Lupu was appointed acting president of the former Soviet republic.
He said a center-right coalition comprised of the Democratic Party, the Liberal Party and the Liberal Democratic Party would be formed. Lupu, 44, is also expected to run for the presidency. However, the center-right coalition, which has a total of 59 votes, lacks the two extra votes necessary to elect a president.
A parliamentary majority of 61 votes is needed to elect the country's president and end the stalemate that has left the impoverished ex-Soviet republic without a full-time president since mid-2009.
I don't understand purpose for nations/states (or whatever they would be correctly called) like Transdniester. The quintessential purpose of it forming as a seperate region is technically complex but simply is due to the people residing there wanting to maintain a Russian-centric culture, identity, etc. All of this is modern day "politics", chaos and idiocy. The region SHOULD be simply annexed as another province of Russia with southern and eastern Ukraina. The people would be satisfied and unnecessary political circus would end... While solving modern problems, dissolve "Moldova" entirely and give all of remaining territory to Romania.
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