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Post by CHORNYVOLK on Dec 5, 2007 10:57:38 GMT -5
Senior EU official says Europe sees Russia as threat
16:10 | 05/ 12/ 2007
TALLINN, December 5 (RIA Novosti) - The vice president of the European Commission said on Wednesday that European Union countries unanimously saw Russia as a growing threat.
Relations between Russia and the EU have cooled recently over such issues as Kosovo's independence bid, criticism of Russia's recent parliamentary elections, and European concerns over Russia's energy policy.
"If you look through Europe's leading newspapers to see how many positive articles they have about Russia, you will not find any. Russia is seen as a serious and increasing threat," said Siim Kallas, also a former Estonian premier, in an interview with Estonia's Eesti Paevaleht newspaper.
Ties between Russia and Estonia, an EU member since 2004, have been tense since the collapse of the U.S.S.R. in 1991, with tensions reaching boiling point this year over Estonia's decision to relocate a Soviet-era monument.
Kallas said his three and a half years of service in Brussels had seen the EU's policy on Russia become increasingly coordinated.
"The times when a country could say it had its own policy toward Russia are history," he said. "Those who would like to establish 'special relations' with Russia are quiet today."
He said that not a single leader of any EU country would venture to pursue a policy that would deviate significantly from the 27-nation bloc's common course.
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Post by medo on Dec 5, 2007 15:06:28 GMT -5
Of course they see Mother Russia as a threat! If I were on their place and behaved the very same way western members of EU and USA behave I would also see strong Russia as a threat. In fact Adolf Hitler also saw Mother Russia as a threat - a threat for his imperialistic-fascistic-genocidal goals.
Anyone who tries to behave like Adolf Hitler, anyone who attacks sovereign countries for stealing its resources (e.g. aggression on Iraq by former colonial and now EU countries Great Britain, Spain, Italy for stealing its oil), anyone who attacks other countries for making its own military bases will see current Russia as a threat.
The only thing that is very funny here is: "criticism of Russia's recent parliamentary elections" ha ha ha what a cheap hypocrisy! People in Russia strongly support president Putin's policy, and westerners know it since according to western agency polls Putin has a very high approval rate (according to some even above 80%), while western leaders and policy are challenged every day by growing world's frustration by the western imperial, neocolonial and imperialistic policy.
Westerners are just desperately nervous for seeing Mother Russia growing and growing and becoming a superpower, a place in the world it certainly deserves - by its history, by its contribution to the world's culture, science, art, by its very great sacrifices for liberating the world and humankind of Nazism and fascism.
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Post by Alexandrus on Dec 5, 2007 15:18:06 GMT -5
Bush's support in the US BARELY rises up to 30 percent, because Putin is popular within Russia they automatically presume that he's a dictator since in Western Europe all of the presidents/PM's are popular with only one side of the population and are hated by the other.
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Post by SerdarVukota on Dec 5, 2007 15:36:32 GMT -5
While he was speaking about Russia, could have told us something about the treatment of the Russian minority (50%) in Estonia
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Post by medo on Dec 5, 2007 16:00:04 GMT -5
...because Putin is popular within Russia they automatically presume that he's a dictator ... Bullshit! They do not presume anything! They know quite well what Vladimir Putin is and what he is not! This is just a piece of cheap western propaganda for their OWN internal use! But I think that days when this crap could pass are gone behind us because today, when access to free information across the world is easier than ever, people are not easily manipulated as before... even in the west. |
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Post by krzysiek on Dec 5, 2007 16:54:16 GMT -5
Of course they see Mother Russia as a threat! If I were on their place and behaved the very same way western members of EU and USA behave I would also see strong Russia as a threat. In fact Adolf Hitler also saw Mother Russia as a threat - a threat for his imperialistic-fascistic-genocidal goals. Anyone who tries to behave like Adolf Hitler, anyone who attacks sovereign countries for stealing its resources (e.g. aggression on Iraq by former colonial and now EU countries Great Britain, Spain, Italy for stealing its oil), anyone who attacks other countries for making its own military bases will see current Russia as a threat. I can't help but laugh when I read comments like that. At first glance it seems to be true, but then when you start analyzing it, you notice that it tries to portray Russia as a righteous nation that is a thorn in the side of the "fascist west". It is funny that you brought Hitler up to bolster your argument, because if we move back to WW2 era Stalin was not any better than Hitler. When it comes to elections in Russia I think that the West is overexagerating, but you need to admit that in a democratic country, which Putin claims Russia to be, every one should have a right to voice their opinion freely without being rounded up and locked up. I know that some of these oposition leaders are jewish, and therefore "scum" and unworthy, but that's where Putins oratory abilities come in to convince the nation of his greatness. Obviously Putin must be affraid of loosing power to resort to intimidating his opponents by the use of power. |
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Post by Alexandrus on Dec 5, 2007 16:59:40 GMT -5
Who is he afriad of loosing power to ? The only oponents of United Russia are the communist, most liberal parties barely recived an inital 2 percent support,they just arent popular in Russia and pose no threat at all, the only way Kasporov can become president is if the US invades Russia.
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Post by ceskybojovnik1938 on Dec 5, 2007 17:08:54 GMT -5
hmm, Putin is no more a Russian or Slavic patriot than Adolf Hitler was. He serves his NWO masters, thats all.
Russia may have saved europe from Nazism but they didnt save the other half of Europe from communism, and to alot of people who lived under 40 years of communism, living under nazi rule for 6 years was less threatening to Slav peoples as was living under communism.
Are we going to have another cold war or shall it be world war 3? Im sick of USA - Russia power games, all they do is serve the NWO agenda. Its not about nationalism, patriotism or anything as noble, its about greed, power and control.
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Post by Alexandrus on Dec 5, 2007 17:47:53 GMT -5
hmm, Putin is no more a Russian or Slavic patriot than Adolf Hitler was. He serves his NWO masters, thats all. Russia may have saved europe from Nazism but they didnt save the other half of Europe from communism, and to alot of people who lived under 40 years of communism, living under nazi rule for 6 years was less threatening to Slav peoples as was living under communism. Are we going to have another cold war or shall it be world war 3? Im sick of USA - Russia power games, all they do is serve the NWO agenda. Its not about nationalism, patriotism or anything as noble, its about greed, power and control. Hardly those are power games, merely self defense, does Russia has plans to put missiles in Mexico ? Does America has plans to place missiles in eastern europe ? Hm... If Russia wasn't such an evil imperialist country then its resource rich territory would have been divided among America and its anglo-allies. NWO has a strong presence within Russia but its not a dominant power, if it was, Israel would be getting a good cheap supply of oil and gas. |
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Post by medo on Dec 5, 2007 17:59:08 GMT -5
Of course they see Mother Russia as a threat! If I were on their place and behaved the very same way western members of EU and USA behave I would also see strong Russia as a threat. In fact Adolf Hitler also saw Mother Russia as a threat - a threat for his imperialistic-fascistic-genocidal goals. Anyone who tries to behave like Adolf Hitler, anyone who attacks sovereign countries for stealing its resources (e.g. aggression on Iraq by former colonial and now EU countries Great Britain, Spain, Italy for stealing its oil), anyone who attacks other countries for making its own military bases will see current Russia as a threat. I can't help but laugh when I read comments like that. At first glance it seems to be true, but then when you start analyzing it, you notice that it tries to portray Russia as a righteous nation that is a thorn in the side of the "fascist west". It is funny that you brought Hitler up to bolster your argument, because if we move back to WW2 era Stalin was not any better than Hitler. The same western countries having colonial and imperialist past are today invading sovereign countries and spreading "freedom", "democracy" and "human rights" on the wings of tomahawk missiles in Iraq and Afghanistan killing thousands of civilians. Fasicism and imprialism? West fascistic? Wars for oil and good strategical positions disregarding international laws just like Hitler did? No way... This is pure altruism! And just like in WW2 there are always small cock-sucking slave nations who join their evil forces in crime with their masters - Poland in 1939 joined Hitler when he occupied Czechoslovakia and Poland took some parts of the victim for itself. The same cock-sucking-miserable-scum Poland joined Nazis of the 21 century in 2003 during the invasion of Iraq. But cowards are withdrawing like rats... As regards Stalin he was a dictator but he gave you Poland free of German invaders... and today's Pomerania is free just like Sudetes in Czechoslovakia... If you don't like what Stalin gave you you should return Germans their own land! After all, don't Germs remind you of that from time to time? Yes they do (just like Italians from time to time remind us Croatians of Istria and parts of Dalmatia), and just then suddenly your politicians come to Moscow to ask if the results of WW2 could be revised... Pish! Was Poland, invaded by Hitler, member of an international organization, as any other sovereign and independent country, or only small miserable part of Third Reich? After WW2 Poland was not part of USSR but a sovereign country, member of UN. Hitler was killing your Poles like rats in millions together with Gypsies and Jews, but Stalin gave you a country where you could live as a human being in a system you or I like or do not like. So don't speak bullshits about comparing Hitler and Stalin! The only persons who could compare with Hitler are G.W. Bush, Tony Blair, and your stinky cock-sucking communist bastard, bandit and war criminal Kwasniewski! |
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Post by ceskybojovnik1938 on Dec 5, 2007 18:00:54 GMT -5
...So communism wasnt an NWO invention then? It was soley Russian?
Before nazism and communism Czechs and Slovaks had reasonable relations with Austrians-Germans, Hitler only manipulated the situation.
Im glad the Czechs kicked the Austrians-Germans out, yes, but what would have been better was for Soviet union to piss off back to Russia where it belonged. You may or may not be aware that Czechslovakia was a prosperous place to live in the 1920s-1930s, they were doing just fine without Nazis and Soviets.
A bully is a bully, regardless of if hes German or Soviet.
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Post by Alexandrus on Dec 5, 2007 18:06:22 GMT -5
...So communism wasnt an NWO invention then? It was soley Russian? How does communism has to with anything of this ? I'm talking about Russia, not the SU, you seem to have the average perception of an anglo-saxon. Ah, you finally reveal your true colours. Piss of to Russia where it belongs ? Piss of to the UK with your paki's and niggers. |
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Post by ceskybojovnik1938 on Dec 5, 2007 18:11:51 GMT -5
Firstly, dont bring personal issues such as ethnicity into the debate.
Secondly, I was stating that from your post you said the NWO had little hold over Russia, if this is true then communism wasnt an NWO agenda, but a Russian one, as the NWO dont have the control over Russia that was needed to maintain all those decades of communism.
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Post by medo on Dec 5, 2007 18:13:45 GMT -5
Who is he afriad of loosing power to ? The only oponents of United Russia are the communist, most liberal parties barely recived an inital 2 percent support,they just arent popular in Russia and pose no threat at all, the only way Kasporov can become president is if the US invades Russia. Why do you think that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is or was afraid of anyone? Just because western propaganda says that doesn't make it true! Putin is not afraid of anyone but he is just keeping order in his country as he is not going to allow colored revolutions where political forces supported and financed by the West, forces with 0,001% political influence make violent provocations. In the western countries there are many violent mass events recently - take France for example. And the police is brutal! Just as it was in Estonia, Germany... And of course OSCE, EU and other so called "human rights" protectors are very quiet... Scum! |
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Post by Alexandrus on Dec 5, 2007 18:17:57 GMT -5
Firstly, dont bring personal issues such as ethnicity into the debate. Secondly, I was stating that from your post you said the NWO had little hold over Russia, if this is true then communism wasnt an NWO agenda, but a Russian one, as the NWO dont have the control over Russia that was needed to maintain all those decades of communism. So from your perspective, SU=Russia ? The bolsheviks had as many polish ''revolutionary'' leaders as much as russians, it wasn't a russian ''invention'', frankly it was ''invented'' by germans and probably would have stayed in there unless the krauts were kind enough to ship that zhid Lenin to Russia. Russia emerged from a long period of zhid dominance, there are key players in russian politics who are jews but they are far less numerous and dangerous then during Yeltsin era. |
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