Serbia n Montenegro.

[Lonevolk]

trpimir said:

No, Gotovina is. ;D

That's good.....I appreciate an honest answer....At least I know who I'm dealing with.

What's the point of joining this forum?

Last I checked, people like you were decendants of a "lost tribe of Goths"

[pastir]

The Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS) has decided to support Velimir Ilić's bid to become the country's next president.

www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=01&dd=03&nav_id=46655


I knew this was in the charts as soon as I heard Ilic (NS) is running. The deal between Kostunica (DSS) and Tadic (DS) was that they form a government coalition together where Kostunica is PM even if DSS is weaker than DS, but that in return Kostunica will support Tadic at presidental elections.

But Kostunica (correctly) figured the West and Tadic are in a hurry to hold the election before Pristina`s unilateral declaration of independence because no way the pro-Western Tadic can win an election after that. So Kostunica asked for election to be postponed instead of being held at this critical time. But Tadic was having none of it and had the election scheduled for January 20th convinced that with Kostunica supporting him and Kosovo stil in Serbia he is going to win.

So Kostunica is now going out and backstabbing him (after in the past getting backstabbed by DS more than once himself) and while not presenting his own DSS candidate is supporting the NS candidate. Now if he and Ilic have the balls to see this through and not support any candidate in the 2nd round of the election Nikolic (Radicals) will have a much better chance of winning over Tadic (who only won the last because of support of both his DS and Kostunica`s DSS). Then the whole thing will have backfired on the West and it`s 5th column and when Kosovo declares independance there will be a pro-serbian president in Belgrade.

[Lonevolk]

It could be just a tactic to reduce the number of votes that would go to Nikolic (Radicals) in the first round only to shift support for Tadic in the second round.

I'm confused about Kostunica.....he is making ever more anti-Nato (and anti-EU to an extent) statements lately that if he supports Tadic he will look like an idiot after the elections. But lets not forget that he was part of the government that handed over Milosevic, wrecked the Serbian Army and basically followed EU directives all along.....but we'll know soon enough where he stands

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Kostunica je veliki igrac. To je najbolje dokazao kad je Nikolicu dao da sjedne par dana na mjesto predsjednika parlamenta, da bi time ucijenio Tadica i na kraju postao predsjednik vlade.

[pastir]

Uci i on pomalo. Par godina unazad ga je izjebavo gdje je ko stigo. Znas kad je pobedio na izborima za predsjednika Srbije ali nije rezultat bio valjan jer je DS fakticki bojkotirao da bude izlaznost niza od 50%. Ili kad je DOS pobedio 2001 upravo zbog Kostunice, pa ga sjebase dajuci mu funkciju predsjednika Jugoslavije da bi mu zatim ukinuli drzavu pa tako i funkciju. ;D

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pastir said:

Uci i on pomalo. Par godina unazad ga je izjebavo gdje je ko stigo. Znas kad je pobedio na izborima za predsjednika Srbije ali nije rezultat bio valjan jer je DS fakticki bojkotirao da bude izlaznost niza od 50%. Ili kad je DOS pobedio 2001 upravo zbog Kostunice, pa ga sjebase dajuci mu funkciju predsjednika Jugoslavije da bi mu zatim ukinuli drzavu pa tako i funkciju. ;D

Istina, bogam, zapravo mu je ovo sa Nikolicem bio prvi 'big deal'. ;D

[pastir]

Kostunica’s Choice
by Tihomir Loza

Kostunica’s future, and that of Serbia for years to come, could hinge on who he backs for president.

www.tol.cz/look/TOL/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=4&NrIssue=252&NrSection=2&NrArticle=19284
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Other than its pro-western bent and baggage quite a spot on article.

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Nikolicu je vec uspio prvi rekord. 30 000 ljudi je bilo na mitingu u Beogradskoj areni.

[Lonevolk]

jna said:

Nikolicu je vec uspio prvi rekord. 30 000 ljudi je bilo na mitingu u Beogradskoj areni.

SRS kampanja je izgleda bolje organizovana u poredjenju sa 2004, sudeci po njihovim mitinzima. Neki predvidjaju da ce Nikolic mozda uspeti da pobedi u 1-vom krugu, ali tesko posto su glavne medije u rukama DS-a.

Ipak ce na kraju odluciti kome se prikloni Kostunica. Posto su mu stavovi u zadnje vreme blizi Radikalima, mislim da ce doziveti sudbinu Vuka Draskovica (DSS ce postati minorna stranka) na sledecim parlamentarnim izborima AKO otvoreno podrzi Tadica.

Drugi vazan faktor moze biti stepen izlaznosti na izbore.....veca izlaznost je bolja za DS posto ce glasaci Radikala ionako izaci (navodno imaju vecu partijsku disciplinu)

[Deleted]

Ja sam za to da radikali vec jednom preuzmu volan u Srbiji, pa da narod vidi na cemu je sa njima.

[Lonevolk]

jna said:

Ja sam za to da radikali vec jednom preuzmu volan u Srbiji, pa da narod vidi na cemu je sa njima.

I ja sam za to posto ne vidim neku bolju alternativu trenutno.

[pastir]

The EU are such clowns. First they schedule the Stability and Association Agreement on 28th January as a sort of distraction from Kosovo for Serbia and as a boost for Tadic in the election. Then Kostunica comes out and totaly rubishes the agreement saying Serbia isn`t signing one as long as the EU is bent on sending the EU mission to Kosovo (that would gradualy replace the UN administration) without the approval of the Security Council or Belgrade`s invitation. So the EU is first totaly oblivious to this being important for Kostunica going about saying all kinds of high horse patronising stuff like Kostunica`s comments are due to the election campaign and only for internal consumption, then that they regret the PM is saying that, then that there is no alternative to Serbia`s future but the EU and then that he is not being constructive. So when they see Kostunica ain`t backing down they hang a nose and in a manner of a five year old go out and basicaly say I didn`t want you to come to my party anyway, by getting the Netherlands to say they are going to block the signing on the 28th January because Serbia hasn`t hunted down Mladic for them jet. Haha. Fookin kidds. Like we can`t see through that. Make no mistake, had Serbian government been compliant about Kosovo amputation there would be absolutley no such "blocking" by any EU member regardless of wether Mladic was arrested jet or no. Instead we would be treated to headlines of Serbia`s Hero: Dimitrij Rupel the Foreign Minister of EU`s Presiding Member Slovenia Convinces The Netherlands Serbia Is Doing All In Its Power To Apprehend Mladic Gets It To Drop Objections To Serbia`s Eventual EU Membership. Like we don`t know the good cop bad cop routine when we see one.

[Lonevolk]

No one really give a shit what the EU has to say anyway....it's the Americans who are the driving force

[pastir]

They work for the Americans yes, but they are stil important. The EU mission must not come to Kosovo or Belgrade must be absolutley fuming about it and pointing out every two minutes their presence is wholy illegal. Otherwise once they have replaced UNMIK it would be extremley easy for them to do whatever they like with Kosovo. The loads of quotes on "Kosovo being an European problem" is in preperation of just that. They make themselves responsible for it and then they can present whatever they do with it as doing the hard things neccesary for improvement of "Kosovars" life and anybody opposing them is ill-intended.

Also Europe pulling with the Americans gives a big amount of legitimacy to the whole deal for public opinion in many places in the world. Alot of people see America as moraly bankrupt by now, but when it is a wide coalition including places like Sweden pushing for it it becomes a different matter.

[pastir]

Tadic won`t get Kostunica`s support. It is 99% clear now. Kostunica conditioned his support on essentialy freezing European integration if Europe tears away Serbian territory. Tadic is unwilling to do so. He`d loose the essential votes of Jovanovic and the minorities (who don`t give a damn about Serb territory of course) for the second round and there would be no reason for the West to prefer him over Kostunica anymore, plus he would give Kostunica the reason he needs to break up the government and picture him as unprincipled agreement breaker after he stil cozies up to the EU after Kosovo recognition. He is nominaly against loosing Kosovo, but isn`t actually willing to do anything about it (other than not recognising the independence himself). Kostunica would become completley irrelevant for the future if he backed Tadic now after he snubbed his conditions, I don`t think he is that stupid. It doesn`t seem likely at all Kostunica would back Nikolic instead either. It is just not being mentioned as any kind of option. I guess it would be too much for many to chew up to suddenly support a party that were shunned as leppers over his coalition partner.

Anyway who gets to be the president is not so important as the fact that this election could break up the government. DS just said they won`t break up the government if they win without Kostunica`s support, leaving unsaid that they might if they don`t get the backing and don`t win. Hopefully they would which would almost certainly mean a DSS-SRS government without much outrage for Kostunica for joining up with the untouchables, since he can present it as he himself was giving his all to keep the DS-DSS coalition as long as he could, but at the same time I am not so sure DS would walk out even then. I think they`ll be told by Brussels to stay inside the government, as much as SRS in the government would be good for demonisation of Serbia in the mass media, I don`t think Europe wants anything that the least bit hints at heat from or a Serbia with a backbone. Europe will prefer to have at least some of their own people in the government above all in this critical transition-recognition period to dillute and sabotage any Serbian reaction. I think they feel their nakedness and will want to avoid Serbia giving them a hard time about it very much.

(The only 1% way for Kostunica to support Tadic I see is if there is some kind of emergency meeting where it is agreed that while Tadic won`t agree to any "extra" conditions from Kostunica that he states that the constitution is very clear on president having to defend Serbia`s soverignity. But both would have to lower themselves for this to happen and it would look way too ridicilous and absurd even for Serbian politics cancelling out any gain Kostunica`s support might bring him.)