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Post by Alexandrus on Dec 12, 2007 11:53:17 GMT -5
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Post by Raven on Dec 12, 2007 13:11:11 GMT -5
At least some good news, in this darkness around Serbs. Thanks
Only devotion to Slavdom and love to Christ would save us, my Polish/Russian- brothers and sisters. Remember, balance of Slavdom is serious and fragile thing. Be responsible for there are hard times in front of us. We would need all our people
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daver2
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Post by daver2 on Dec 12, 2007 17:27:59 GMT -5
Good news. Now we're just waiting for Tusk's visit to Moscow in January.
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Post by pastir on Jun 4, 2008 9:27:18 GMT -5
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Post by White Cossack on Jun 4, 2008 10:31:29 GMT -5
Ecofaggotry reaches a new level. All hail mighty western civilization.
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Post by Яромip on Jun 5, 2008 12:01:28 GMT -5
That's inline with limiting water vapor emissions (it's a green-house gas) and eliminating beef from our diet (cow stomachs produce methane...another green-house gas)
Democracy = Populism = Hysteria
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Post by pastir on Jun 5, 2008 14:04:32 GMT -5
UN is a buerocracy on which the masses have absolutley no impact. Most people laugh at the ekofaggs.
You can`t pinn this one on democracy and populism. There is no mass movement or widespread sentiment behind this idocy. Just a tiny circle of shit-for-brains crusaders and the aura of political correctness and cowardice among the political classes.
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Post by White Cossack on Jun 5, 2008 14:47:29 GMT -5
UN is a buerocracy on which the masses have absolutley no impact. Most people laugh at the ekofaggs. You can`t pinn this one on democracy and populism. There is no mass movement or widespread sentiment behind this idocy. Just a tiny circle of shit-for-brains crusaders and the aura of political correctness and cowardice among the political classes. Maybe you are right, but on my personal experience, almost all people buy into this ecofaggotry crap, and even if they don't do much to "save our future" themselves, they still pretend to care and fake some indignant attitude, so, in a way, Yaromir is right. |
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Post by pastir on Jun 6, 2008 17:31:00 GMT -5
Not in my experience. Maybe social sciences students do, or maybe people lie they do if they`re asked by a TV reporter (since it is not-PC not to), but real people in real life do not. Certainly you don`t hear people discussing the need to develop alternate fuel sources due to peak oil or talk about the joys of recycling over a beer.
And anyways even if the masses were geniuinley sold on this what exactly would that prove anyway? (It would only prove the people can be manipulated, but non-democratic goverments are as capable of manipulation as the democratic ones are.) It is idea that originated with a small fanatical group and only gained ground because it is promoted from the top. You have the state TV paying lipp service to it, the children in school having to prepare seminars on enviromentalism and all these earth days, don`t drive a car days and other kinds of crap. It is not a fault of populism when it comes from the top.
It would be like saying promotion of homosexuality is the fault of the masses and democracy. Or saying atheism in the Soviet Union was the fault of populism.
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Post by White Cossack on Jun 6, 2008 20:15:22 GMT -5
Oh please, don't start with your offenses. I am a law student. ;D
Well, let me clarify then. Of course I am limited to my own social circle, which is made of middle/upper middle class people.
If we are talking about the real mass here, then you might be right, although I still think it diverges from place to place - the mass in Europe can't be compared to the mass in most of the world.
And as far as these people I "get along with" are concerned, they do PRETEND to care, and they do talk about some ecological issues. But it is all a mask, of course, and they are not willing to sacrifice their life styles a bit. Just empty rhetoric.
It only proves that this ecofaggotry shit is a widespread phenomenom, which was all I was getting into.
I am not blaming the masses. All I am saying is that people ARE buying into this crap promoted by the "big guys".
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Post by pastir on Jun 6, 2008 21:16:48 GMT -5
Yeah ok, it is just that by "democracy = hysteria = populism" I imagine something more like a provincial half crazy firebrand guy preaching demagogy on the town markets then getting more and more massive rallies until he is winning election by a landslide and then imposing himself on the elites and the state that initialy rejected his views and demands through popular support.
This seems a reversed phenomenom to me. They`d never get their way if they waited until they got genuine mass support. They moved for the state/politicians/papers first, got their way through being loud and are now with their busy implanting a new dogmatism on the society, deciding the only PC and mainstream way is their way, and everyone not thinking their way should be ashamed of himself thus keeping the people lobotomised and passive.
(Very much like the pro-poof groupations, they`d never achive anything waiting for real mass support. They do things from the top not from the bottom.)
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Post by Яромip on Jun 9, 2008 14:18:39 GMT -5
Sure I can. ;D This mindset has saturated Western minds and permeates every aspect of society (when needed). Of course, eco-friendly mind set doesn't seem to contradict the dominant consumerism-oriented ideology. It is rumored that UK is about to do away with Natural sciences and start teaching something like "Environmental Studies". In general, "environmentalist" issues are one of those sacred cows like "children" or "holocaust". Any peace of legislature, no matter how insane, can be pushed through if presented in proper "context". For example, anybody who voices concerns over Kyoto Protocol (an insane piece of legislature, btw) is viewed as either ignorant or industry insider who wants to continue polluting. --------------------------- It is an ideology well ingrained into the minds of the masses through populistic means of appeal to emotions. Masses are conditioned to respond to certain topic with overwhelming emotional force, regardless of intellectual merits or naked FACTS. On some topics mere suggestion of further investigation is viewed as insane and border-line treasonous. Some of these topics include the collapse of Wold Trade Center towers on 2001.09.11, coorelative studies between vaccines and autism, CO2 emissions causing "global warming", and of course the king: The Holocaust (in most of Europe saying anything that casts doubt on any part of holocaust is a punishable offense with 3-5 year prison terms). ------------ With modern technology masses can be indoctrinated and swayed quite efficiently by a very small group of owners of financial and media institutions. We have already harvested first fruits of this in the form of breakups/civil wars in Jugoslavia and USSR, colored revolutions in Ukraine and Georgia, missile bases in Polska and Czeska. I assure you, however это всё цветочки, ягодки ещё впереди. Soon these flowers will bring forth fruit. Bitter, poisonous fruit it will be. Here's an interesting extract from a book which discusses differences between Democracy and Respublica www.devvy.com/pdf/larosa/larosa_democracy_or_republic.pdf |
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Post by pastir on Jun 9, 2008 15:42:29 GMT -5
In general, "environmentalist" issues are one of those sacred cows like "children" or "holocaust". Made so by the establishment, not by the populace. Any peace of legislature, no matter how insane, can be pushed through if presented in proper "context". Through managment from the top. For example, anybody who voices concerns over Kyoto Protocol (an insane piece of legislature, btw) is viewed as either ignorant or industry insider who wants to continue polluting. Only due to establishment managment of the populace from the top. It is an ideology well ingrained into the minds of the masses through populistic means of appeal to emotions. No it is not. Enviromentalism is nowhere near there jet. Socialism is, but commong people don`t really give a damn about the baby seals. Masses are conditioned to respond to certain topic with overwhelming emotional force, regardless of intellectual merits or naked FACTS. On some topics mere suggestion of further investigation is viewed as insane and border-line treasonous. And in many of the cases hysteria is artificial and only manufactured by the establishment through the media. Thats managment not populism. With modern technology masses can be indoctrinated and swayed quite efficiently by a very small group of owners of financial and media institutions. Which is the exact opposite of Populism and Democracy. What are we even talking here? Bug eating campaign is the fault of populism and the masses? Would bug eating pass a referendum then? Of course not. This is being pushed through by the power players not the populace. What are the most important issues tot the populace in the US today? Probably immigration and affirmative action. But they will never get to vote on it. Whichever of the parties they pick will pursue the same policy. Jet if put on a referendum both would be scaled back. So what now? We need to blame populism for it? Or a lack of it? You can blame the masses for not being efficent in stopping these moves, but they are not the driving force behind them so you can`t blame populism for them. Infact all of this could only happen precisley because there is no democracy and no populism, due to the system being rigged and the populace being kept in check by the establishment (including the media and the "intelectuals") through managment. This is George Soros not Vojislav Šešelj. Are you telling me a Jacobin Dictatorship being undemocratic would be less likely to pursue ekofagg policies? |
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Post by pastir on Jun 9, 2008 15:53:15 GMT -5
Infact populism is the only remedy for the present situation.
The age old populist method of lining up the journalists, proffesors, politicians, tycoons, buerocrats and social engeneering crusaders in front of a wall and gunning them down.
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TheGoddess
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Post by TheGoddess on Jun 10, 2008 3:48:43 GMT -5
This ecofaggotry has more sides to it, though. If you limit the growth of crops and vegetables for the sake of some eco-friendly biofuel, the food prices are going to shoot up high (see EU). If you don´t stop the global warming, the food prices are going to shoot up high, too. Everything will just dry up instead.
To get back to the original topic, I wouldn´t eat bugs. Leave me to my real meat. And although I´m not a treehugging ecofag (I do love trees though), I don´t necessarily like how messy and littery this country is.
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