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Post by pastir on Jun 16, 2009 13:17:29 GMT -5
I really do not care too much about Iran, Or more accuratelly you don`t know jack shit about Iran. So why dont you shut the fuck up and stop typing your meaningless crap? Ignorant dullards don`t get to be entitled to an opinion. |
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Post by Orao on Jun 16, 2009 13:24:18 GMT -5
Nabio ti Ahmedinedzad sestru na kurac.
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Post by TsarSamuil on Jun 16, 2009 13:44:40 GMT -5
Well where do you live? I heard Sweden? Sweden is a "hostile" country according to you then, why live there? My swedish friend next to me, is wondering when sweden attacked serbia. Swe is a neutral country that hasn't had a war for the past 200 years. Don't you live in usa, and didn't u use to write kosovO as kosov A when u came to the forum? Why don't u just stfu? |
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Post by Orao on Jun 16, 2009 13:55:57 GMT -5
Well where do you live? I heard Sweden? Sweden is a "hostile" country according to you then, why live there? My swedish friend next to me, is wondering when sweden attacked serbia. Swe is a neutral country that hasn't had a war for the past 200 years. Don't you live in usa, and didn't u use to write kosovO as kosov A when u came to the forum? Why don't u just stfu? Capitalism, EU, USA, West,and NATO is all intertwined. Sweden is part of this interconnection, if not part of NATO formally. It is easy for Sweden to be neutral when it is surrounded by the countries that it is. |
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Post by TsarSamuil on Jun 16, 2009 14:19:41 GMT -5
Sigh...can't u ever shut up...why are we talking about swe..
okay, for sake of arguement, no it's not easy for swe to be surrounded by nato block. But the country like I said hasn't had a war for the past 200 years, so plz don't criticize a country like that when u live in usa, who...uhm I don't have to say what usa has done, everyone knows. Talking about where i live is silly when u live in usa, why even make such an arguement in ur situation...sigh
swe and finland aren't in nato because they don't want to be pushed into wars by outside forces, and also they don't want to be pawns where in a nuclear war, they would be the first ones to be taken out because they are located right there next to russia. Now, it would be VERY good if poland & chezh rep had the same viewpoint not to be used by big powers in a development that can only lead to bad things. You say its easy to be outside nato, it isn't, country is always under pressure by nato.
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Post by Orao on Jun 16, 2009 14:30:08 GMT -5
See even you can communicate in somewhat of a civilized tone.
The point was YOU LIVE in a country that's part of the West (more or less) and it is laughable you are supporting something such as the Iranian govt. from a Western country.
Put your theory into practice, move to the place you support and then see how much you like it.
Understand?
You did the first time, it is just your foolishness doesn't allow you to admit you're blatantly wrong and your ideas don't agree with what you do.
Basta.
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Post by TsarSamuil on Jun 16, 2009 14:37:44 GMT -5
Uh location isn't relevant when ur heart is in the right place, I think its silly with those arguements, especially when it comes from u, I don't see u move to serbia. As for me moving to bg, no way, brrrr...do u know how COLD those winters are? I have a problem with my skin that cracs very easy in cold dry temperatures. In southern swe where I live there is hardly any snow during winters yet I can hardly stand it. If I'll move to another country, it'll be where its warm year round n visit bg when its not winter. Anything else u want to know? My shoe size? ;D
Discussing iran is important because they are a big country that is strategically important for rus vs usa, that's why I bring it up, as if I talk about rus and sco I'd have to mention china once in a while.
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Post by martin76 on Jun 20, 2009 14:01:03 GMT -5
My thoughts on Iran:
I agree, America could be involved again. I am not Anti-American, but when it comes to politics, America knows in my opinion jack shit about cultures, history etc. Where they arrive and get involved they cause more trouble than was even previously there. Just one example: Second World War. Germany decides to erase Poland and the Polish people from the map. Kills millions of jews, gypsies etc. Stalin a favorite of mine reacts finally perhaps too late, when stupid Hitler arrives in Stalingrad and thinks he can ever conquer Russia. Russia repays Germany. Then comes the U.S. Afraid of communism and its spread in Europe it halts Russia in Europe. And the consequence? Get this:
Germany never lost really the second world war, but became on of the most prosperous countries in the world with loans from the US Marshall Plan. Justice?
II. Iran is a huge country with great people, great nature, big cities (Tehran has close to 15 million inhabitants), long history, achievements. We in the west have no clue what Iran is about, because we are fed just the propaganda shit that it's a danger.
America will have to pay ... either way, if they get involved. This is a cosmic law, some call it karma. Hopefully they learnt something from the past, but I doubt it.
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Post by TsarSamuil on Jun 26, 2009 2:15:15 GMT -5
How Western media backs the “green revolution” in Iran.
RussiaToday.com
24 June, 2009, 05:31
It was an election that was snatched from the Iranian people – or at least that's the impression being given by Western media outlets. But are they telling the full story?
The BBC and the Voice of America radio station have been harshly criticized by Iranian officials who accuse the broadcasters of fueling violence after the disputed reelection of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
The European Union has rejected Iran’s accusations that the Western media helped engineer post-election unrest as protests in Tehran continue.
And US President Barack Obama has also said that Washington is not interfering in Iran's affairs. While strongly condemning the actions of Tehran in curbing the protests, Obama said the United States respects the sovereignty of the country.
But Iranians screaming about fraud and demanding a fair election – that’s what most people are seeing on their TV screens.
Journalist Jalal Ghazi believes Ahmadinejad won the elections because “the difference is 11 million and you just cannot expect 11 million votes to be forged.”
So why does the American media seem to overlook that fact?
As the protests continue, some experts still believe there is interference from outside of Iran. A columnist and a former assistant secretary of the US Treasury in the Reagan administration, Paul Craig Roberts, says it's all part of a major destabilization plan ordered by the US.
“The CIA has been conducting a destabilization plan within Iran for the last two years; it is well known and has been widely reported in American and British press. We are seeing the fruits of an orchestrated protest that is taking place in Tehran,” said Roberts.
“The American media serves as a propaganda ministry for the government,” he added.
Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen told RT that the real story behind the media in Iran is that of instigating a “green revolution.”
“George Bush funneled $400 million to George Soros’ Open Society Institute and National Endowment for Democracy (NED) institutions to influence this opposition movement against the Iranian government,” Madsen claims. “Every time you hear about revolutions it is George Soros and the Open Society Institute.”
Going further, Madsen argued that “Yesterday, CNN really had trouble with priming itself away from the coverage of demonstration in Tehran to cover a terrible metro train accident in Washington. What is the motivation for all this intense coverage by CNN, MSNBC and Fox News? It seems like there is a coordinated and concerted effort to stir things up using Western media.”
Experts are questioning whether or not this may be another US attempt to foment a color revolution in the Middle East, as it has done in past years in Eastern Europe.
“There is a tendency now to take advantage of what is an internal problem with the present Iranian government,” Wayne Madsen said. “We see some of the same hallmarks today in Tehran which we saw in Ukraine and Georgia.”
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Post by TsarSamuil on Jun 26, 2009 2:23:06 GMT -5
The West does not conceal its intention to hold another color revolution in Iran. 24.06.2009 Pravda.Ru The current state of affairs in Iran means that the West intends to have another “color revolution” in Asia at all costs. The practice of such revolutions has proved to be successful in Serbia, Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan. The revolution in Moldova has not taken place yet, but it most likely will as a result of the parliamentary elections in the country. Iranian opposition continues holding mass riots in Iran after the controversial presidential election. Iran ’s supreme legislative instance, the Guardian Council, rejected the possibility to cancel the results of the vote. The council thereby acknowledged that there were no serious violations made in the course of the election. Iran’s spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei emphasized the legitimacy of the vote and said that the difference of 11 million votes (Ahmadinejad’s official advantage over Moussavi) was too large to consider it a fabrication. In addition, Khamenei criticized Western leaders who questioned the results of the Iranian election. Khamenei described such remarks as interference into Iran’s internal affairs. However, the statements from the spiritual leader pushed the Iranian opposition to taking even more actions of protest to attract the attention of the Western community. Many protesters were seen carrying posters with slogans written in English – the language, which the majority of Iranians do not understand. Iran’s ex-president, Ayatollah Ali Akbar Rafsanjani took opposition’s side after the government ruled to arrest several of his relatives, including his daughter, in the course of the opposition riots on Saturday. The meeting was dispersed when the police used water jets and tear gas and reportedly inflicted fire damage against the protesters. Iranian officials said that there were 13 people killed in the clashes, although unofficial source speak about 150 deaths. Most likely, the opposition intends to cancel the official results of the vote and to topple Iran’s spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who recognized the outcome of the election. Many Iranian theologians sat that Khamenei’s stance contradicts to the position of the Iranian leader, who is supposed to be above the political struggle. In the meantime, the West is closely watching the development of the situation in Iran and how the scenario of the new revolution is unfolding. An article that recently appeared on The Financial Times, said that Khamenei accused the governments of foreign nations of their attempts to organize a coup in Iran. “What does it take to make a successful revolution? That question is clearly weighing on the mind of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. In his long rant at last Friday’s prayers at Tehran University, Iran’s supreme leader accused foreign governments of trying to foment a revolt in his country. He claims that foreigners are using the uprisings in the former Soviet Union as a model. “They are comparing the Islamic Republic with Georgia,” he complained. “Mr Khamenei is right about one thing. The comparison between events in Iran and the “color revolutions” in the former USSR is certainly suggestive. Andrew Miller, a journalist at The Economist who witnessed the color revolutions in Ukraine, Georgia and Kyrgyzstan has come up with a useful “checklist” of some of the factors that can help a revolution to succeed,” the newspaper wrote. It just so happens that the West does not even conceal the fact that it considers the current events in Iran as another color revolution. It is worthy of note that UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urged the Iranian government to stop the arrests and the use of force against the protesters. He also urged the nation to respect the human rights, especially the right for freedom of speech and demonstrations. We did not hear the concerns from the UN Secretary General during the time when the police of Georgia dispersed a mass meeting in November of 2008 or when NATO planes showered Belgrade with bombs. Now the UN seems to be showing concerns about the human rights in Iran. Will the revolution occur? Iran is not Georgia. Western special services have no experience of successful color revolutions in clerical Islamic states. They could only raise the Taliban Movement to their own harm.  Lol remember quote from 1st star wars movie?^^ |
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Post by TsarSamuil on Jul 6, 2009 5:46:23 GMT -5
Biden: Israel 'Entitled' to Attack Iran
US Won't Stand in the Way of a Military Strike
Antiwar.com
by Jason Ditz, July 05, 2009
In an interview today on ABC’s “This Week With George Stephanopoulus,” Vice President Joe Biden said it was up to the Israeli government to decide if Iran constituted an existential threat and that the nation was “entitled” to launch a military strike against the nation if they wanted to.
Biden said the United States would make no effort to dissuade the Israeli government from launching an attack on Iran, but was deliberately evasive on the question of whether the US would provide Israel with access to Iraqi airspace for the strike, saying he didn’t want to “speculate.”
Israel has repeatedly threatened to attack Iran over the past several years, and the right-wing coalition government elected earlier this year won largely on a platform of taking an even more hawkish position toward Iran than previous administraitons had.
At issue is Iran’s civilian nuclear program, which despite a lack of evidence Israel claims is being used to construct a nuclear weapon in violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Israel is itself not a signatory of the NPT, and has a large, undeclared nuclear arsenal.
US defense officials, including Defense Secretary Robert Gates, have warned that a military attack on Iran, whether by the US or Israel, would be blamed on the US and would create a “disastrous backlash.”
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Post by TsarSamuil on Jul 6, 2009 6:02:37 GMT -5
“Obama a prolongation of Bush” – Islamic leader in Russia.
06 July, 2009, 13:13
In an interview with RT, Geidar Jemal, the head of the Russian Islamic Committee, had some candid views about US President Barack Obama, and many other things.
As a Muslim, do you anticipate improved relations between the United States and the Islamic world as a result of Barack Obama being in the White House?
Geidar Jemal: No, my view is that Barack Obama represents a prolongation – or worse – of the policies of the Bush administration. After all, many people, Americans especially, were expecting the abolishment of the most odious acts – wiretapping, astronomical military budget, for example – of the Bush administration.
RT: But certainly there must be a sense of relief in the Muslim community. It seems that Obama is really striving for some political change not only in the US, but across the world.
Geidar Jemal: No, the administration of Barack Obama is nothing more than neocon policy dressed up in an African-American Democratic glove. The Middle East, at least, is not buying the change. They are not idiots. People have big expectations in America (for Obama) but not in the Middle East.
RT: Okay, what about Obama and his chances for mending the political chasm between Washington and Iran, specifically Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Geidar Jemal: First, let me say this. You cannot clean out a house when the situation is more or less stable. The radicals in Iran need to clean out the liberals – students, journalists, secret opposition groups. To take out 100,000 people – this is absolutely necessary to ensure the future of the radicals. But this cannot be done in ‘normal’ conditions. The fact is, the Iranian radicals need a civil war, which will be quickly lost by the liberals. They are no match for the Revolutionary Guard; they would be annihilated. Washington fails to understand this. It somehow believes that a civil war will overthrow the establishment, as if Ahmadinejad is hanging onto power by the skin of his teeth. This is not the case.
RT: So you don’t foresee a democratic revolution happening in Iran?
Geidar Jemal: It is important to understand that for Ahmadinejad, the interests of Islam are more important than the interests of his people. He is one of a core group of individuals who believes that the world is full of oppression and Islam can correct it.
RT: At the weekend, the Iranian president said he would be willing to sit down to talks with Barack Obama. He told a group of students that he would “go to the United Nations… and invite Obama to negotiations.” Is there any chance that such a meeting would represent a thaw in US-Iran relations?
Geidar Jemal: Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim, but one who ultimately rejected Islam. Later, he left his Christian faith when he was publicly challenged with comments by his spiritual leader. How can Ahmadinejad hold serious talks with a man of such principles? I don’t think we should overestimate… his (Ahmadinjad’s) words. Talk does not necessarily mean a result. Results are clearly another thing.
RT: Thank You.
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Post by TsarSamuil on Jul 6, 2009 6:09:03 GMT -5
Have US Marines murdered in Beirut been forgotten?
RussiaToday.com
24 June, 2009, 14:33
Some in the US and the West have painted Iran’s opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi as a beacon for democracy, but he has a darker page in his biography, marked with the blood of Americans.
Last seen as the Iranian Prime Minister during the 1980s, Mousavi’s sudden explosive return to the world political stage comes after what the media dubbed “20 years of silence”.
Mousavi, who lost to a reelected President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, claimed the vote was rigged and has demanded a recount.
He led a wave of massive anti-government rallies, which saw fierce clashes before a clampdown by the Iranian government, which rejects any accusations of voting irregularities.
The Iranian Interior Ministry has warned opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi to respect what it described as “the law and the people's vote” and to stop calling for further protests after his presidential election defeat.
Moussavi and murdered Marines in Beirut
Mir Hossein Mousavi’s leadership back in the 1980s was not a peaceful one. It was at the time when Iran was actively trying to push its revolution abroad. Iranian dissidents were killed at the time, but for the past 25 years Mousavi has laid low on the radar and tried to step away from the political scene. Now that he is back, there is a piece of history from his past that many people are either unaware of, or are intentionally ignoring.
Mir Hossein Mousavi was the Prime Minister of Iran between 1981 and 1989. At the time there were a series of attacks on US property in Lebanon’s Beirut. Both suicide bombing attacks happened in 1983. The one on the American embassy there claimed more than 60 lives, primarily embassy staff and American Marines. Another one struck the American Marines’ own barracks, killing 299 American servicemen.
As the highest official in Iran in 1980s, Mir Hossein Mousavi was not only directly connected to the assassination of American citizens, but is also believed to have actually handpicked the men who later were held responsible for these attacks. The sources who state this aren’t his Iranian opponents, but Americans. The most notable are former CIA operative Robert Perry and the chief naval officer at the time Admiral James Lyons. Both men were privy to a lot of information, given their jobs. Admiral Lyons later said that at the time they were wire tapping the Iranian Ambassador to Great Britain and this is where they got their information from.
Both Perry and Lyons point their fingers directly at Mir Hossein Mousavi, saying there is blood on his hands.
Moussavi and the Iranian nuclear programme
For the American mass media, Iran’s post-election clashes have been hitting the headlines constantly, so much so that the US media can be seen to be backing Moussavi, but since Iran’s nuclear programme is of such a great concern to the US (as the Obama administration has stated on numerous occasions), Mir Hossein Mousavi is not that big of a change to the country. This is because that even if he manages to overthrow reelected Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Mir Hossein Mousavi has already proclaimed his firm belief that Iran, much like Ahmadinejad’s stance, has every right to proceed with its own nuclear programme.
If Iran’s nuclear programme is really such a concern for the US, then Mir Hossein Moussavi is not the right candidate for the US to be backing.
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Post by TsarSamuil on Jul 6, 2009 6:13:13 GMT -5
How Western media backs the “green revolution” in Iran.
RussiaToday.com
24 June, 2009, 05:31
It was an election that was snatched from the Iranian people – or at least that's the impression being given by Western media outlets. But are they telling the full story?
The BBC and the Voice of America radio station have been harshly criticized by Iranian officials who accuse the broadcasters of fueling violence after the disputed reelection of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
The European Union has rejected Iran’s accusations that the Western media helped engineer post-election unrest as protests in Tehran continue.
And US President Barack Obama has also said that Washington is not interfering in Iran's affairs. While strongly condemning the actions of Tehran in curbing the protests, Obama said the United States respects the sovereignty of the country.
But Iranians screaming about fraud and demanding a fair election – that’s what most people are seeing on their TV screens.
Journalist Jalal Ghazi believes Ahmadinejad won the elections because “the difference is 11 million and you just cannot expect 11 million votes to be forged.”
So why does the American media seem to overlook that fact?
As the protests continue, some experts still believe there is interference from outside of Iran. A columnist and a former assistant secretary of the US Treasury in the Reagan administration, Paul Craig Roberts, says it's all part of a major destabilization plan ordered by the US.
“The CIA has been conducting a destabilization plan within Iran for the last two years; it is well known and has been widely reported in American and British press. We are seeing the fruits of an orchestrated protest that is taking place in Tehran,” said Roberts.
“The American media serves as a propaganda ministry for the government,” he added.
Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen told RT that the real story behind the media in Iran is that of instigating a “green revolution.”
“George Bush funneled $400 million to George Soros’ Open Society Institute and National Endowment for Democracy (NED) institutions to influence this opposition movement against the Iranian government,” Madsen claims. “Every time you hear about revolutions it is George Soros and the Open Society Institute.”
Going further, Madsen argued that “Yesterday, CNN really had trouble with priming itself away from the coverage of demonstration in Tehran to cover a terrible metro train accident in Washington. What is the motivation for all this intense coverage by CNN, MSNBC and Fox News? It seems like there is a coordinated and concerted effort to stir things up using Western media.”
Experts are questioning whether or not this may be another US attempt to foment a color revolution in the Middle East, as it has done in past years in Eastern Europe.
“There is a tendency now to take advantage of what is an internal problem with the present Iranian government,” Wayne Madsen said. “We see some of the same hallmarks today in Tehran which we saw in Ukraine and Georgia.
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Post by Orao on Jul 8, 2009 13:38:39 GMT -5
Saudi Arabia has allowed Israeli jets to use its airspace?
What whores rule the holy land of the muslims?
That is a slap in the face of every muslims to let the infidels fly over your air.
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