Hungary.

[gleb]

bagatur said:

jarynrad said:

but today Bulgaria is even greater hole than Czechia or Slovakia and that´s what counts.

You are absolutely right! Today Bulgaria is the poorest state in Europe. And do you know why? Because of the communists - jewish slaves, who destroyed one prosperous and rich country which was Tsardom of Bulgaria before 1945!

The things could be far more different if we stopped the Bolshevik drunken scum army, which brought us only misery and suffering.

Easier, pal. Don't call Soviet Army "Bolshevik drunken scum army". You post like a fascist. Your country was on nazi's side. It's very shamefull page of your history. Nothing to be poud of.

[ratnik]

jarynrad said:

And how exactly was Bulgaria prosperous and rich country before 1945? Any stats?

She was. My grandfather lived in that time. The Bulgarians worshipped Tsar Boris III as a God and when Hitler killed him more than 1,000,000 people from all corners of Bulgaria came on the funeral to say one last

"Thank you your Majesty and rest in peace. We will never forget you".

The last Bulgarian Tsar was loved by all. Because he made Bulgaria economical power not only on the Balkans.

The stats?? They are many, but I have no time to post them. Maybe later.

[ratnik]

gleb said:

bagatur said:

You are absolutely right! Today Bulgaria is the poorest state in Europe. And do you know why? Because of the communists - jewish slaves, who destroyed one prosperous and rich country which was Tsardom of Bulgaria before 1945!

The things could be far more different if we stopped the Bolshevik drunken scum army, which brought us only misery and suffering.

Easier, pal. Don't call Soviet Army "Bolshevik drunken scum army". You post like a fascist. Your country was on nazi's side. It's very shamefull page of your history. Nothing to be poud of.

And you sound like a communist!

"Shameful page"? Why? Because Southern Dobrudja (stollen by Romania in WW1) was returned to Bulgaria?

Because the jews from all slavic states, except Bulgaria were deported in the concentration German camps?

Don't tell me these "nothing to be proud of" lecturings.

[ratnik]

jarynrad said:

Guess who officilly "invited" "friendly" army of Warshaw pact to Czechoslovakia in 1968? Czechoslovakian communist who were "on paper".

Yeah but what happened next?

The Czechoslovakian patriots alwasy had support from the West, especially with money. The communistic regime there was not steady.

[gleb]

bagatur said:

gleb said:

Easier, pal. Don't call Soviet Army "Bolshevik drunken scum army". You post like a fascist. Your country was on nazi's side. It's very shamefull page of your history. Nothing to be poud of.

And you sound like a communist!

"Shameful page"? Why? Because Southern Dobrudja (stollen by Romania in WW1) was returned to Bulgaria?

Because the jews from all slavic states, except Bulgaria were deported in the concentration German camps?

Don't tell me these "nothing to be proud of" lecturings.

I sound like a communist?
People mostly use their heads for thinking. And you use only for eating.
I'm not a communist.
How the FUCK can I erase 70 years of my country's HISTORY??? All I can do is to take it. I have to respect it. Several generations were born in USSR, several generations died. It was more than 70 years. Do you know how many millions of Soviet people died during WWII?
Yes, there were plenty of bed sides: low level of life, repressions, annihilation of churches. That's awfull? YES. 10000 times YES. It was horrible!!!
But there were also positive sides. USSR was the most powerfull country in the world. We had best army, best military technology, science, education, sport and so on.
You all hate communists and consider them to be scum. Almost 250 millions of scum? My grandfather was Soviet officer. He took active part in developing rockets for the firts space flights. He headed the faculty in A.F.Mozhaisky Military Engineering & Space Academy. He was scum? I'm very proud of him and of all my relatives, which worked not for communism (which makes you wet your pants) but for the nation!!!
When you call such people scum you insult me heavily and I don't want yo have anything in common with you!
I'm not a communist. But I think that there is nothing worse than a communist than an anti-communist.

[jaropolk]

gleb said:

bagatur said:

And you sound like a communist!

"Shameful page"? Why? Because Southern Dobrudja (stollen by Romania in WW1) was returned to Bulgaria?

Because the jews from all slavic states, except Bulgaria were deported in the concentration German camps?

Don't tell me these "nothing to be proud of" lecturings.

I sound like a communist?
People mostly use their heads for thinking. And you use only for eating.
I'm not a communist.
How the FUCK can I erase 70 years of my country's HISTORY??? All I can do is to take it. I have to respect it. Several generations were born in USSR, several generations died. It was more than 70 years. Do you know how many millions of Soviet people died during WWII?
Yes, there were plenty of bed sides: low level of life, repressions, annihilation of churches. That's awfull? YES. 10000 times YES. It was horrible!!!
But there were also positive sides. USSR was the most powerfull country in the world. We had best army, best military technology, science, education, sport and so on.
You all hate communists and consider them to be scum. Almost 250 millions of scum? My grandfather was Soviet officer. He took active part in developing rockets for the firts space flights. He headed the faculty in A.F.Mozhaisky Military Engineering & Space Academy. He was scum? I'm very proud of him and of all my relatives, which worked not for communism (which makes you wet your pants) but for the nation!!!
When you call such people scum you insult me heavily and I don't want yo have anything in common with you!
I'm not a communist. But I think that there is nothing worse than a communist than an anti-communist.

Polnostyu soglasen.

Russians had to sacrifice the most, everybody knows that. Money, materials, oil, gas was constantly flowing to the countries of the Warshaw-agreement. Poles, Chechs, Slovaks...etc. lived much better than Russians. And still the those countries are most keen on finding "the guilty ones" and seeking revenge. Most Russians dont see the 74 years of communism as "waste" and try to look forward while not forgetting the past.

[pastir]

jarynrad said:

[And how exactly was Bulgaria prosperous and rich country before 1945? Any stats? Since you are bitching the jews, during 2WW Bulgaria despite she was allied with Axis saved its entire Jewish population (around 50,000) from the Nazi camps by refusing to comply with a 31 August 1943 resolution, so dont say jews had no influence in Bulgaria of that time.

So the only reason a head of state can decide to protect 50,000 people, children and women among them from gruesome murdering maniacs is due to Jewish influence?

[ceskybojovnik1938]

Hmmm let me see..... Hungary lost half of its ethnic hungarian lands in WW1. Do you know that there are more than 1,5 million hungarians in Romania (Carpathia), separated from their homeland? Do you know that these people do not have ethnic rights? Do you know that they are under heavy romanian assimilation?

Isn't this enough? And how many hungarian lands have stollen the other neighbours?

The hungarians suffered a lot. Now they are small, weak and humiliated nation. And you still hate them....Bashing the weak is a fine example of abomination and cowardice. Remember this.

If the Hungarians are suffering it is thier Karma, for trying to destroy the Slovak people over a period of centuries. So what if they have no rights in Romania? They certainly have more rights there than they gave the Slovaks!

Also, Can you explain why Greater Moravia were cowards? I dont see the point of defending a non slavic nation on this forum especially one as barbarous as Hungarians. Through history they always chose thier Germanic "brothers" over any Slavs, Remember that.

Russians had to sacrifice the most, everybody knows that. Money, materials, oil, gas was constantly flowing to the countries of the Warshaw-agreement. Poles, Chechs, Slovaks...etc. lived much better than Russians. And still the those countries are most keen on finding "the guilty ones" and seeking revenge. Most Russians dont see the 74 years of communism as "waste" and try to look forward while not forgetting the past.

You obviously never heard of the uranium mines in Czechoslovakia, where thousands of Czechs and Slovaks died mining Uranium so the USSR could have thier fuel for nuclear weapons.

Also, Poland, Czechoslovakia and other communist sphere nations had to transport thousands of tons of materials and food stuffs to the USSR through thier whole miserable time under the hammer and sickle which the USSR demanded.

I have tried to think good of 40 years of communism but unfortunatly due to my personal family history and my families dealing with communist scum it is very difficult to understand such a regime and why people follow it. The only thing I thank communism for is putting an "iron curtain" around it and shielding it from degenerate anti-culture from the west for those 40 years.
Im so glad none of my family were commies, I feel a sense of pride that they never sucumbed to the temptation of being a party member whore. They endured the communist's torture for 40 long years and communism in Poland and Czechoslovakia was very real, maybe not as brutal as in DDR or USSR but it was real to my family all the same and from a slavic point of you, Communism is not Slavic, in fact it was very anti slavic.

Why do you think most poles and czechs were heavy drinkers and smokers? Why do you think they had such high suicide rates in those 40 years? Stinking commies, thats your answer. Communism destroys the human spirit and replaces it with nothing.

Ever thought of the environmental impact of communism? 40 years of blackening the skies and polluting forests and rivers with chemicals, just so they could "show the west". Pathetic, utterly pathetic. They thought they could smash human spirit, well, look at them now, they are still there, but they saw which way the wind was blowing and became the thing they most hated, capitalist scum.

[pastir]

jarynrad said:

Poles, Chechs, Slovaks...etc. lived much better than Russians. And still the those countries are most keen on finding "the guilty ones" and seeking revenge.

That is official doctrine supported by state.

Soviet Union had no super-corporations or anything like it with which to transfer wealth from countries under it`s clout to herself.

However Eastern European countries were being dominated by USSR through their own local communist structures in other non-economic fields and were unable to make their own policy on areas like foreign affairs or to even deviate from the soviet communism internaly to any meaningful degree.

The problem with many Eastern European states then isn`t that they point out this, but that all too often blame it on the Russians as a whole instead of on the communists.

Which is unfair in part because no Russian ever benefited from USSR`s dominance of Eastern Europe. (Unlike induvidual Americans who do to some small extent directly economicaly benefit from USA`s imperialism.)

[pastir]

It was good for wasting wealth.

[Deleted]

To protect her jewish civilians was very honourable of Bulgaria.
As far as I know Bulgaria did also not send troops to fight on the East front.

[gleb]

ceskybojovnik1938 said:

Hmmm let me see..... Hungary lost half of its ethnic hungarian lands in WW1. Do you know that there are more than 1,5 million hungarians in Romania (Carpathia), separated from their homeland? Do you know that these people do not have ethnic rights? Do you know that they are under heavy romanian assimilation?

Isn't this enough? And how many hungarian lands have stollen the other neighbours?

The hungarians suffered a lot. Now they are small, weak and humiliated nation. And you still hate them....Bashing the weak is a fine example of abomination and cowardice. Remember this.

If the Hungarians are suffering it is thier Karma, for trying to destroy the Slovak people over a period of centuries. So what if they have no rights in Romania? They certainly have more rights there than they gave the Slovaks!

Also, Can you explain why Greater Moravia were cowards? I dont see the point of defending a non slavic nation on this forum especially one as barbarous as Hungarians. Through history they always chose thier Germanic "brothers" over any Slavs, Remember that.

Russians had to sacrifice the most, everybody knows that. Money, materials, oil, gas was constantly flowing to the countries of the Warshaw-agreement. Poles, Chechs, Slovaks...etc. lived much better than Russians. And still the those countries are most keen on finding "the guilty ones" and seeking revenge. Most Russians dont see the 74 years of communism as "waste" and try to look forward while not forgetting the past.

You obviously never heard of the uranium mines in Czechoslovakia, where thousands of Czechs and Slovaks died mining Uranium so the USSR could have thier fuel for nuclear weapons.

Also, Poland, Czechoslovakia and other communist sphere nations had to transport thousands of tons of materials and food stuffs to the USSR through thier whole miserable time under the hammer and sickle which the USSR demanded.

I have tried to think good of 40 years of communism but unfortunatly due to my personal family history and my families dealing with communist scum it is very difficult to understand such a regime and why people follow it. The only thing I thank communism for is putting an "iron curtain" around it and shielding it from degenerate anti-culture from the west for those 40 years.
Im so glad none of my family were commies, I feel a sense of pride that they never sucumbed to the temptation of being a party member whore. They endured the communist's torture for 40 long years and communism in Poland and Czechoslovakia was very real, maybe not as brutal as in DDR or USSR but it was real to my family all the same and from a slavic point of you, Communism is not Slavic, in fact it was very anti slavic.

Why do you think most poles and czechs were heavy drinkers and smokers? Why do you think they had such high suicide rates in those 40 years? Stinking commies, thats your answer. Communism destroys the human spirit and replaces it with nothing.

Ever thought of the environmental impact of communism? 40 years of blackening the skies and polluting forests and rivers with chemicals, just so they could "show the west". Pathetic, utterly pathetic. They thought they could smash human spirit, well, look at them now, they are still there, but they saw which way the wind was blowing and became the thing they most hated, capitalist scum.

Why do people follow communism? It is totalitar. It mustn't be followed. It is held by a group of people with strong military and ideological support.
I'm very interested, whom do you call communists? All the Soviet Citizens? It is a misteke to think that all Soviet population was secretly masturbating on monarchy during the communist reign. People didn't know another life. So they lived and enjoyed this life. We all knew that our government washes our brains with propaganda. But what did we have to do? Cut the veins because of the communism? No!
Only when the life became harder because of high prices, deficite, foolish politicans etc. people decided to change it and communism fell down.
Liberal ideas doesn't suite Russia. Such a big country demands more authoritative form of government (which is now provided by Putin).

[ceskybojovnik1938]

Liberal ideas doesn't suite Russia. Such a big country demands more authoritative form of government

Thats true.

Why do people follow communism? It is totalitar. It mustn't be followed. It is held by a group of people with strong military and ideological support.

That is true to an extent, but some people chose to be party members to gain special perks, they betrayed thier countrymen to get special privillages etc, traitors if you like.

I know not all Russians and Soviet citizens were commies, I know about russian civil war etc and the white russians.

[Boris Sarafov]

No one is bashing "macedonians", because such people do not exists...Hmmm probably you talk about the Bulgarians in Macedonia?

No such thing.

Hungarians made slavs suffer more" Excuse me alexandrus, but how old are you? 13? 14? Which century you live? Helloooooo wake up - it is 21 century! We are not in Medieval Europe.

How ironic coming from you? Alexandrus is more rational then you'll ever be. Its true, Hungarians have never helped anyone who is a Slav. They had there chance when we were fighting the Turks, but they were always to late in there offerings. Slavs fought for themselves, for there own freedom. While present day Hungary is racist towards Czechs and Slovaks, with there propaganda, and expansionist idea which has been posted many a times here.

But hey if Hungaria is a friend of Bulgarians, then they must be good, give me a break.

[gleb]

gleb said:

ceskybojovnik1938 said:

Thats true.



That is true to an extent, but some people chose to be party members to gain special perks, they betrayed thier countrymen to get special privillages etc, traitors if you like.

I know not all Russians and Soviet citizens were commies, I know about russian civil war etc and the white russians.

There were almost no white Russians in the SU. Most part of those who survived in civil war, moved to Europe. Those who decided to stay in Russia were repressed.
I just wanted you to make differetce between the politics which made Soviet foreign and inner policy and common people, which didn't offend any countrys. These people even could be members of Communist party but they didn't make decisions and they didn't influence something. This membership provided some priveleges. Some posts in big factories required a party membership.
Don't call my narod a scum. Soviet people are not worse then czechs, slovaks, serbs, poles and other. You can say anything about those who governed SU, but don't judge 250 millions of people.